middle east or venezuela, you know what is going on in the middle east, and it helps us with the bottle nekdz. we have a $27 barrel crude in my state, unbelievable traffic up there because of truck traffic and oil trucks. so not only do with very discounts for the producers, not only do we have infrastructure problems, we have the consumer and businesses paying $3.52 a day, the highest it's ever been this time of the year in our country. why would we allow this? i don't understand it. when you say we're willing to build pipeline. i don't understand. >> well, senator, i don't know the particulars. i mean usually when you have trucks, trucks are short term interim solution to a region you expect the same oil production. they're very expensive. >> i agree. which is why we need the pipelines. >> again, if we're talking about the trucks in north dakota and wyoming, the private sector -- i don't know the particulars about this. but i think once you see a lot of truck traffic, that's almost the last resort. you know, it goes pipeline and then rail and the last is truck. >> mr. secretary, i'm looking