>> correct. >> and you wouldn't say whether you knew if nellie orr worked for fusion, is that correct? >> my understanding from my direction of the fbi is i am not permitted to answer that question. >> okay. but you did say you talked with bruce orr, fellow department of justice employee and nellie orr's husband? >> yes. >> but it is common knowledge that nellie orr worked for fusion in the summer of 2016, is that right? >> i don't know if it's common knowledge or not. >> it's been in all kinds of reports. >> it is now, absolutely. >> press reports. all right. you met with bruce orr in 2016 and 2017, so the time period that we're focused on. >> to the best of my recollection, yes. >> and you won't tell me what you guys talked about. >> i can tell you we talked about operational matters that he was involved in, but the fbi has directed me not to give you -- >> specifically you can't get into specifics and details. did bruce orr give you any documents? >> sir, same answer. i would like to answer that question, but the fbi has directed me not to get into -- >> you can't -- my understandi

. >> you never talked to nelly orr. >> correct. >> and you wouldn't say whether you knew if nelly orr worked for fusion. is that correct? >> my understanding from my direction is that i am not permitted to answer that question. >> you did say you talked to bruce orr, fellow department of justice employee and nelly orr's husband. it is common knowledge that she worked for fusion in the summer of 2016. is that right? >> i don't know if it is common knowledge or not. >> it has been in all kinds of reports, press reports. >> you met with bruce orr in 2016 and 2017. so the time period that we are focussed on. >> to the best of my recollection, yes. >> you won't tell me what you talked about? >> it was operational matters he was involved in. >> specifically you can't get into details. did he give you any documents in. >> same answer. i would like to answer the question but the fbi directed me not to. >> the discussions we have had with the fbi he is allowed to tell us those kinds of pieces of information. i'm not asking what the documents were. did he hand you documents? >> i understand you

>> correct. >> you never talked to nelly orr. >> correct. >> you wouldn't say whether you knew if nelly orr worked for fusion; is that correct? >> my understanding from my direction above the fbi's not permitted to answer that question. >> okay. but you did say you talked with bruce orr, fellow department of justice employee and nelly orr's husband. >> yes. >> it is common knowledge that nelly orr worked for fusion in the summer of 2016; is that right? >> i don't know if it's common knowledge or not. >> it's been in all kinds of reports. >> it is now, yes, absolutely. >> all kinds of press reports. all right, you met with bruce orr in 2016 and 2017, the times we're focused on. >> to the best of my recollection, yes. >> and you won't tell me what you guys talked about. >> sir, i can tell you we talked about operational matters that he was involved in, but the fbi's directed me not to give you -- >> specifically you can't get into specifics and details. did bruce orr give you any documents? >> sir, same answer. i would like to answer that question, but the fbi's directed me not to get int

. >> nelly orr -- >> let us bring the director of the fbi to answer those questions. the gentleman cannot answer. asked and answered. he cannot answer. >> the regular order. >> i understand, mr. chairman. >> the fbi has instructed mr. strozk that he can answer additional questions. >> agent strozk -- >> there is time to get answers to the questions -- >> the fbi approved. >> has the fbi given you permission to say if glen simpson is the name you use when you say simpson? >> i don't believe they have given me guidance. my most recent understanding is in response to the question of whether the fbi received documents. >> has the fbi given you information to tell me whether you knew nelly orr worked for fusion at the time you were meeting with her husband? >> to my knowledge the fbi has not directed me or allowed me to respond to that. >> i yield back. >> the committee will stand in recess until immediately after this series of votes. >>> i'm wolf blitzer in the situation room. we have been watching today's deeply partisan congressional hearing. peter strozk the fbi agent

so nellie orr -- >> i'm as frustrated as you are. >> nell owe orr works for fusion, works for glenn simpson -- >> regular order, please. let us bring the director of the fbi to answer those questions. the gentleman cannot answer. asked and answered. >> the american people -- >> asked and answered. he cannot answer. >> the gentlewoman -- regular order is -- >> i understand, mr. chairman. regular order. >> the fbi has now instructed mr. strzok that he can answer additional questions and mr. -- >> agent strzok -- >> jordan has official time to get the answers to those questions that he earlier was thwarted in getting. >> has the fbi also given you permission to say if glenn si simpson is the name that you use in the e-mail where you say simpson. >> i don't believe they have given me guidance. my most recent understanding of the guidance from the fbi is in response to the question of whether the fbi received documents from mr. orr. the angeswer is yes, they did. >> has the fbi given you information to tell me whether you knew nellie orr worked for fusion at the time you were meeting with her hu

his wife nelly orr, employed by fusion gps, we return to congressman jim jordan. today peter strzok acknowledging the source of the so-called dossier. thank you for all you do. your notes on peteing strzok and degree you had to be surprised after you -- he tried to stonewall you two hours previously, he gave you a answer. >> right, remember a couple things peter strzok is the key guy, lead agent on clinton investigation, and lead agent on russia investigation, today in committee, i think that fbi and doj admitted they got part of dossier from bruce ohr, his wife nelly ohr, worked for gps, the agency hiring christopher steel, we know that fusion gps, -69s ws giving information to her husband who then passed it to fbi. this confirms what we always expected. irbelieve first time department of justice and fbi admitted to that very fact. lou: and you also were watching as strzok talking about the dossier published by buzzfeed news, people recall, that is where it was published. to documents that senator mccain passed along to the fbi. that is extraordinary. >> this big

he added their bruce orr the justice department individual who is married nelly orr who works for fusiongps he admitted that bruce orr gave documents to the fbi but not say whether it was a documentary that's pretty striking. political organizations feeding a dossier to a justice department official. that would be pretty striking. liz: this story is not over. kayleigh mcenany thank you. we have the proof that they are doing that only ring in that stein is going to chime the next and is fired up about this one. and our nation's veterans. we knew helping our communities was important then. and we know it's even more important today. so we're stepping up to volunteer more and donate over a million dollars every day. so our communities can be even stronger. it's a new day at wells fargo. but it's a lot like our first day. liz: the president announced that to everyone that nato agreed to quote substantially up their military spending so it is far from clear that anyone agreed to spend more than they had planned to or even defended even a sinner but as for the summit sum of the one european di

nellie orr works for fusion, works for glenn simpson, and she is giving documents -- >> regular order. let us bring in the director of the fbi to answer those questions. the gentleman cannot answer. he cannot answer. >> regular order. >> i understand, mr. chairman. >> the fbi has instructed mr. strzok he can answer additional questions. >> agent strzok. >> get the answers to those questions. >> has the fbi given you permission to say if glenn simpson is the name used in the email where you say simpson? >> i don't believe they have given me guidance. my most recent understanding of my guidance from the fbi is in response to the question of whether the fbi received documents from mr. ohr. the answer is we did. that's all i'm authorized to say. >> to the fbi give give you -- >> the fbi is not directed me or allowed me to respond. >> i yelled back. the bigger the committee will stand in recess until immediately after this series of votes. >> jesse: that was peter strzok, the fbi agent, lead investigator on the clinton email probe, lead investigator on the trump-russia probe. a lot of peop

. >> did you ever communicate with nelly orr? >> no. >> did you ever communicate with bruce orr? >> yes. >> when? >> my recollection is between three, three, four possibly five times in the late 12061 early 2 -- in the late 2016, early 2017 time frame. >> what did you talk about. >> investigative matters that mr. orr was involved in. >> did you talk about the investigation that we're focused on here, agent struck? >> my direction from the fbi -- >> all right, all right. >> that i may not answer that question, sir. >> let's go back to the e-mail you sent that you won't talk about, are there three copies of the dossier. >> sir, to be clear i want to talk about this e-mail. >> you can say that all you want but are you not answering my questions. are there three copies? >> three copies of what? >> the mccain copy, the buzz feed copy and the one you got from corn and simpson? >> sir, the most that i can say is that we received a number of copies of -- [ overlapping conversation ] >> let me ask you one other conversation, glen simpson testified in front of the senate judiciary committe

tosaid he had not talked nelly orr. nelly orr worked for glen simpson. he cannot answer the question whether it ever communicated with glen simpson. why couldn't answer that question? >> how do i know, sir? you interviewed him, i did not. >> does not work for us. >> there are 115,000 people who work for me. >> did you threaten staffers on the house intelligence committee? tv reports indicate you did. -- media reports indicate you did. >> media reports are mistaken. >> sometimes. theyou threaten to subpoena calls and emails? >> no sir. there is no way to subpoena phone calls. [laughter] i'm reading what the press says. >> no, i did not. >> who are we supposed to believe? staff members are never miss let us or you guys who we have caught hiding information from us. who tells a witness not to answer our questions. >> thank you for making cleared is not personal, mr. jordan. if you went to put somebody else under oath -- >> i put order. the gentleman keeps representing the house of representatives, yes it will be. the republicans -- that is not an appropriat

at the time you were meeting with bruce orr, did you know his wife nellie worked for fusion? >> again i believe the same answer, stand by again, sir, please. sorry about the time. sir, again, i'm sorry, i would like to answer that question but at the direct or of the fbi because it relates to an ongoing operational matter, i can't. >> let's go back to the e-mail. sounds like you're saying comparing now sounds like there are three copies but two different versions. the set you are examining in referencing to your colleagues you say is identical to what mccain had referring to the dossier, then saying the one from cornyn simpson, that one is different. is that an accurate reading of your e-mail? >> sir, it isn't and to give you the context of that comment i would have to -- i have to tell you, sir, this is more frustrating for me than it is for you. >> i'm not so sure about that. >> because to frame that -- to give you an accurate answer i would have to give you the context of what was going on which includes details that i've been instructed by the fbi that i may not provide.

at the time of your meeting with bruce orr did you know that his wife, nellie, worked for fusion? >> again, i believe the same answer. stand by, sir, again, please. sorry about the time. sir, again, i'm sorry. i would like to answer that question but at the direction of the fbi because it relates to an ongoing operational matter, i can't. >> let's go back to the e-mail. i just want to make sure i understand this. it sounds like you're saying comparing now, it sounds like there are three copies, but two different versions. the set you are examining and referencing to your colleagues you say is identical to what mccain had. again referring to the dossier. and then you're saying the one from corn and simpson, you won't tell me who those individuals are, but that one is different. is that an accurate reading of your e-mail? >> sir, it isn't. i think to give you the context of that comment, i would have to -- i have to tell you, sir, this is more frustrating for me than it is for you. >> i'm not sure about that. >> because to frame that -- to give you an accurate answer, i would have t

nelly or? >> no. communicate with bruce orr? >> yes. when did you communicate with just into. is somewherection between three, four, five times the late 2016 early 2017 timeframe. about? did you talk >> we talked about investigative matters there m orr was involved in. >> gawk the investigation we are ?ocused on here agent k fbi. direction the >> i got it. let's go back to they mail that you sent that you won't talk. three copies of the dossier as evidence? >> sir, to be clear. i want to talk about this e-mail. i want nothing more. >> you are not talk big. highre not answering questions. there three cop is? autos three cops of what? the buzzfeed copy, copy, the within you got from corn and simpson? >> we received a variety of copies and different types of. >> let me ask you one other question. one other question. >> when simpson testified in front of the senate ju --ary august 22nd, 2017. he was asked did anyone come i?hine quate the fb >> his response? no. no one from fusion ever spoke with the fbi. so here is what i am having troubleund he steering when glen no one spoke wit

orr to the f.b.i. and we know that his wife nelly basically was responsible for the hillary clinton dossier. ng. it has been slow but more continuing to unravel here. >> the dossier, it was established that bruce orr was giving the f.b.i. information and bruce orr had a connection to all of that. >> number four official in the department of justice. i would certainly say so. the fact that his wife was responsible for the hillary clinton dossier. listen, i'm not saying all these things add up but most realistic self-conscious people would say here is a problem here. >> bill: if that's the case is that the next wrinkle in the story and what you try to get to next? >> could be. the first wrinkle is the lisa page deposition today. we want to see how pervasive the bias was and were there more people. we're talking about two people. were there more that may come out of this equation. this is not dead. this is not -- we aren't trying to create some kind of political stunt here bust get to the facts for the american people. >> bill: you won't be there for the lisa page testimony, correct? >> i will n