so fast forward a few years of fact-finding and traveling around europe, and nelson aldridge went with james stillman quite often, the head of national citibank, and he got back, and filed documents, and things weren't at an official level. jekyll island happened because it was time to make it official. and jpmorgan said you need to do this somewhat privately, only after nelson aldridge was hit bay trolley car on madison avenue. he was in new york, discussing things with bankers, his son lived in new york as well. he got hit on 60th street by the trolley car. so he was convalesced and had been planned to have a big meeting at his estate? rhode island. but now he is in new york, with the bankers, and morgan has this club membership at the jekyll island club, and sponsored -- which is something i found out when i went there myself -- sponsored this six-people, again, to work together at -- in secrecy, away from eyes, to bash out this idea of the fed. the sort of cloak and dagger stuff is a little bit exaggerated. it wasn't like you had paparazzi flying in, and at jekyll island it's gener

who was actually the son of the father of the federal reserve -- >> and, by the way, related to nelson aldridgerockefeller who -- >> yes. he was the great uncle of nelson rockefeller, four-time new york governor, vice president and david rockefeller who ran chase also for two decades. so anyway, winthrop aldridge a couple generations before that was friends with fdr, and he was actually concerned about the speculation that had driven the market apart. he was concerned about the economy and confidence in general in banking as was fdr. in his first inaugural address he talked about stabilizing the system because he believed, fdr believed because he had grown up in wealth that a system that was more stable for everybody would lift america in general. and, actually, winthrop aldridge believed the same thing which is ironic because jamie dimon would never get up and say, hey, gee, i'm going to split up my bank, that would be a really good idea because everybody would be more stable. but then it actually did. and aldridge put out a front-page piece in "the new york times" to push glass-steagall that