>> keir simmons, thanks for the latest on nelson mandala. >> joining me is charmaine gault, an msnbcst. very good to see you. let's talk about mandala, his health, how important he is to his country. if not only his historic role going all the way back, but also the way he brought all sides together through reconciliation. >> absolutely. andrea, thank you for having me. all the information i get from close people to mandala indicate that your report recently a few minutes ago, is accurate. that he is steadily improving. and of course, he is 94 years old and has had repeated problems with his lungs. i'm told it could be as much as two weeks that he's in the hospital. i'm sure they won't let him go until they feel confident that he is doing well. he is a symbol not only in south africa, the story that was just told is so symbolic of how people in south africa feel about nelson mandala. both black and white. because he stood for reconciliation. once he became president, and i think that even though today. there is still gross disparities, still gross disparities in the economic situatio

nelson mandala. a lot of controversies come to mind. the strength that she exhibited, you remember better than i do, the ira attack on brighton. when she came out of conference. tell us about her impact, as a woman and as a leader. >> i sometimes think as well about her amazing performances in the house of kmons, she used to during prime minister's question time, great sort of gladiator session. when the prime minister has to acquit themselves before the rest of parliament, she used to slay the opposition her unbelievable preparation, because she, nobody studied longer or harder than margaret thatcher and these killer facts that she would just hurl across the aisle with that handbag that would be kind of a shield in front of her. it was really amazing to watch. i love watching those clips and you know, you can see ones where she's going no, no, no, no. when it comes to talking about europe and it's pretty prod ijous stuff. you wish for that kind of decisiveness and approach today. >> richard wolffe, she took a hard line against europe o

. >> she criticized nelson mandala as a terrorist. her bed with pinochet. >> she was a down-the-line conservative. if you like down-the-line conservatives, you loved her. otherwise, you didn't. >> that was many but at the same time's for you, john cassidy. thank you so much for your time and analysis. >>> if a discussion on margaret thatcher makes you nostalgic for the '80s, take note and tune in, david sirota is part of a show this weekend called "the 8 0s, the decade that made us on the national geographic channel. >>> coming up, what is the matter with kansas or north dakota or apparently, 40 other states? state legislatures across the country are now considering hundreds of abortion-related bills, we'll discuss the ongoing patel over women's bodies, just ahead. mom always got good nutrition to taste great. she was a picky eater. well now i'm her dietitian and last year, she wasn't eating so well. so i recommended boost complete nutritional drink to help her get the nutrition she was missing. and now she drinks it every day. well,