i was following how president obama was eulogizing nelson mandela when he went to the wake and south africa, talking about how by freeing mandela come the system also freed itself. we kept using that kind of quote. we realize the incredible unity that happens in puerto rico is hardly seen. in my lifetime, i've seen it does really have a seen so many political parties, faiths, activists of all persuasions and all caps really line up to make sure that oscar lopez rivera was freed. the happiness, the joy, and the pride we had that we were able to achieve that because, as he said, he is a man of principle. and to work on behalf of a man of principle has always been an honor. amy: we're going to go to break and come back to our discussion with juan cartagena, president and general counsel of latino justice, and oscar lopez rivera, porter get and defenses activists, freed last month after serving 35 years in prison. this is democracy now! we will be back in a minute. ♪ [music break] amy: "and a bird the two wings" by pablo milanes. this is democracy now!, democracynow.org, the war and peace

. >> stephen: nelson mandela said holding a grudge is like drinking poison and thinking it will kill> first off, that's amazing and i'med off that i didn't know that. that was a real bad moment for me as a black man. ( laughter ) >> stephen: you can't know everything every black man said. >> no, but you said, you know what nelson mandela said -- and i was, like, oh, (bleep), i didn't know. that was tough. that was tough right there is that i'm so sorry. you said you've got a lot of life lessons fromout people in hollywood. >> yes. >> stephen: you want to be the guy who passes it down. >> yes. >> stephen: you learn a lot of things from people you did projects with. any particular people who gave you lessons on the set or -- like you did -- what did you do -- you did soul playing with snoop. did you learn anything from snoop? >> yeah, i learned you shouldn't smoke over a certain amount. yeah. that's a true story. yeah. ( laughter ) >> stephen: that's hard not to with snoop. >> well, there is a point with snoop you just had to go, where are we trying to get to? like, what's the end game

i think there's one pretty simple answer and that is nelson mandela.s an extraordinary individual and he set the tone for the politics through the truth and reconciliation commission that was a nonpunitive way of looking at the crimes of apartheid and through just his very manner. his very bearing as a leader of the new south africa. so leadership is hugely important. and i can't sort of be asked my views on this subject without mentioning that it works the other way. when you get leaders who demonize and who call out and who insult and who mock, like donald trump does, then you're going to get an equally bad signal and an enabling behavior for people out there. so i totally agree with the sentiments of what everybody has said, that you need to get people who disagree with each other talking to each other, seeing their human side. i think that's absolutely vital. but i also think it is critical that you have leaders who do not go for the lowest sort of human insult whenever they feel that they're being challenged. i'm sorry to say, but that's kind of t

festival that first year on the steps of city hall with bob, the mayor, president clinton, and nelson mandela. so, basically gave us the permission to go watch some movies. you couldn't just go from being a recovery operation to suddenly -- in lower manhattan, to screening movies. and mandela came and blessed the opportunity and said you've got to celebrate community. megan: now so much of the festival, when i read about it, is about exploring these boundaries of tech, gaming, for example. i didn't know you produced a video game in 1996 with a cast, if i'm correct, jim belushi, cher, ellen degeneres, and steven tyler. in a game called "the last resort." it's been a long-term passion of yours and it's going to be a big part of the festival this year. ms. rosenthal: yes. we have always been interested in novelistic storytelling, even i think the projects that bob has been attracted to, if you look at something like "the good shepherd," the length of those stories, they are more novelistic. so, for me, it's different for bob, but i'm always interested in nonlinear storytelling. and this year at

have the recipe in my book bin at the last second they asked him to be the guest of honor with nelson mandela. he did not cook it created it.cook the george herbert walker bush in japan that is the only one that i know of. with the offical taster tends to be the opposition leader in congress. [laughter] [applause] actually it is the white house chef is the case's tester. >> so we don't get a lot of information so what i have seen in the press so far he does love me a loaf -- meat loaf in the fast food labels on the campaign trail he does like the comfort third we don't get a lot of whatot is going on inside the trumpmp kitchen. [applause] [inaudible conversations]

office, you seem very disillusioned with how south africa has travelled and you believe that nelson mandela's fulfilled in the country. are you disillusioned? i am disappointed with some of the decisions made, and i am disappointed with what is said by many people in power. i see a lot of activities that are taking place now that i'm making sure that we get out of this, and if you ask me what is going to be the future, two years from now, isee a progress in south africa that is not facing any economic difficulties. i see us having a better state. we have to end there, but thuli madonsela, thank you very much for being on hardtalk. thank you very much. well, it has certainly freshened up right across the uk. here'sjust a reminder of the heatwave we had on wednesday. the peak 35, nearly, degrees celsius across the south—east. come thursday, almost a ten degree drop as these fresher atlantic conditions are setting in. but some spectacular weather as well. this is a picture of a thunderstorm taken by a weather watcher in kent. but further north, and across western areas, those atlantic clouds hav

i remember in south africa with nelson mandela, he could have easily stayed.oved him and if he was, like, ah, i'm not going, people would be like, yeah, we don't mind. ( laughter ) but it takes a certain type of leader to notice and understand power is corrupting, all power, and comes with a certain sense of responsibility. >> that's right. >> trevor: when you look at this farewell, why do you think george washington chose to leave? do you think it's because he didn't trust himself or leaders who would follow him? >> a great question and a little bit of both. he was incredibly insecure about his own ability to serve as a statesman. he knew he could be a general but he was not the most brilliant of all the founding fathers but a deeply wise man. remember, all other revolutions went the same way. the general who kicked out the tyrant became a tyrant himself. so people thought that might happen but he was consciously setting an example by stepping down from power. >> trevor: one of the things george washington spoke about dominantly was hyperpartisanship. >> yeah

lot of the terms for how people talk of when south africa, when apartheid had been other han nelson mandela who led the african national congress, somebody not as forgiving and a high tone ch south african democracy may have dissent grated into acial -- cyst sent great -- dissent grated into civil war but he understood how they speak acts as at themselves cue for everybody else. negative version of that is donald trump. 'm sorry, i do try as a journalist to sound even handed ut i'm a columnist and i'm allowed to make my judgments is and my judgment is that while we have a president in the united who conducts name calling, who calls opponents asty things, who alleges conspiracies and lies and fakeness all around him, you are a broad climate of that. he enables a lot were what we are seeing now. our guest is edward luce a graduate of oxford. online at d his work ft.com. he book the retreat of western liberal in liber liberalism. mark from massachusetts. [inaudible] nk enabler is a great term for the president. want to speak to the contradictory actions they have ade in the past few months sta

offers, you seem very disillusioned with how south africa has travelled and you believe that nelson mandela's the country. are you disillusioned? i am disappointed with some of the decisions made, and i am disappointed with what is said by many people in power. i see a lot of activities that are taking place now that i'm making sure that we get out of this, and if you ask me what is going to be the future, two years from now, isee going to be the future, two years from now, i see a going to be the future, two years from now, isee a progress going to be the future, two years from now, i see a progress in south africa that is not facing any economic difficulties. i see us having a better state. we have to end there, but thuli madonsela, thank you very much for being on hardtalk. thank you very much. hello, there. we saw the peak of the heatwave on wednesday afternoon, with temperatures across southern britain soaring into the low to mid—30s celsius. it was 35 degrees recorded at heathrow, which was the warmest day of the year so far, but also the warmestjune day since 1976. wales also saw its h

>> the first example is the state dinner from cook for nelson mandela.t was created by an african-american chef named patrick clark who is offered the chef job under president clinton. he was well-known african-american chef in new york but he turned it down because it was too much of a pay cut. >> he was making six figures as a cook at the hotel across the street from the white house. at that time the white house executive chef salary was 58000. a definite drop off and he had several kids so he turned it top. the clintons asked him to create this meal which was a sesame crusted halibut with red curry and lemongrass vegetables is a cornerstone of the meal. i have the recipe my book if you want to replicate it. the clintons actually asked him to, be the guest of honor at that meal. he actually did not cook the meal but he created it. the only one for allergies that comes to mind is president george herbert walker bush after you had sushi or whatever in japan. this leads to another question people ask, is there presidential taste tester? yes there is. it t

people talk if you think of when south africa, when apartheid collapsed, if it had been other than nelson mandela who led the african national congress, somebody not as forgiving and didn't set such a high tone south african democracy may have quickly dissent grated into racial -- cyst sent great -- dissent grated into civil war but he understood how they speak and conduct themselves acts as a cue for everybody else. i think that a negative version of that is donald trump. i'm sorry, i do try as a journalist to sound even handed but i'm a columnist and i'm allowed to make my judgments is and my judgment is that while we have a president in the united states who conducts name calling, who calls opponents nasty things, who alleges conspiracies and lies and fakeness all around him, you are going to get a broad climate of that. he enables a lot were what we are seeing now. host: our guest is edward luce a graduate of oxford. you can read his work online at ft.com. the book the retreat of western liberal inch liberal liberalism. mark from massachusetts. caller: i think [inaudible] enabler is a great t

as was the case with nelson mandela.s, oscars participation is not an endorsement of the history that led to his arrest nor any form of violence. but rather a recognition of a man and a nations struggle for sovereignty. also, organizers were criticized as well for allowing him to participate given the fact that it was going to take with the crises happening on the island today. they are in a big recession and today they are voting for the fifth time as to whether or not they want to make the stated territory or independent. >> thank you. let me know that joe connor has long for in the name of his father frank. he was only 33 years old when he was killed by that bomb in 1975. thank you brian. >> ml man in florida going above and beyond. risking his own life to help save another. we have this story coming up, next. [ toilet flushes ] so when you need a plumber, you can count on us to help you find the right person for the job. discover all the ways we can help at angie's list. what's the best way to get v8 or a fancy juice

as was the case with nelson mandela. nevertheless, it's not an endorsement of the history that led to his arrest nor any form of violence. rather recognition of a man and a nation struggle. this is not happening in a vacuum. the territory is struggling under collapse, bankruptcy and unemployment. today they hold the fifth referendum where the island voted to become america's 51st state. this is a nonbinding vote. there is a boycott by several groups calling into question the validity. largely symbolic. nothing will come from this is what we understand. >> arthel: you unfolded it to all. nice work at the parade. >> gregg: kind of a mess out there. >> arthel: i went out there for a bit but the crowd had already passed. >> gregg: a professor who is a big stephen king fan getting a gift of a lifetime. just ahead, what all of this have to do with king's home state. >> arthel: senate republicans with unfinished business. attorney general, jeff sessions prepares to testify on the russian inclusion investigation. what the chairw

as nelson mandela put it, it always seems impossible until it's done and i would apply it in that case. because we failed in the pass it doesn't mean we shouldn't attempt that again. we should learn from failed attempts and move forward and try it, test it, that being said, there's no question the difficulties, obstacles of such an approach, the mutual demonization, lack of interaction over years, lack of relations, lack of exchange, both on both the governmental level but both on a societal level makes it all the harder. so i would just end on this note, if the administration decides to go down the path can any success, it should follow what president obama did with the iran team, put together an a-team of diplomats, scientists, experts to carry this out. this is not something you farm out to your son-in-law, if i may say that. so this is required filling key staff positions, senior positions, a real negotiating team like we had with the iran talks and also means filling ambassadorial positions. this would be a major undertaking of diplomacy, diplomacy is hard specially with adversary

as nelson mandela put it, it always seems impossible intelligence done. and i would apply that in the case. because we feel in the past doesn't mean we shouldn't attempt it again. we should learn from those failed attempts and move forward and try it, test it. that being said, there's a question the difficulties, obstacles for such an approach, the mutual demonization of both sides, the lack of interaction over years, the lack of relations, the lack of exchanges both on both the governmental level but also on a societal level makes this all the harder. so i would just end on this note. if the administration decide to go down this path with any chance of success, it should also follow what president obama did with the iran team, and that was put together an 18 diplomats -- a team, scientist, other technical experts to carry this out because i said at another event this is not something you farmed out to your son-in-law, if i may say that. [laughing] so this would require filling key staff positions, senior positions, a real negotiating team like we had wit

as was the case with nelson mandela. endorsement of the history that led to his arrest, but rather, recognition of a man and a nation's struggle for sovereignty. and, leland, this is a u.s. territory. these people are american citizens, and they are struggling in the midst of a recession, bankruptcy. many of the critics of oscar lopez rivera being here today are also pointing out that it's taking away attention from a u.s. territory that is struggling like it has never seen before, and they say that's not helping anybody. so that's also part of the criticism today, and you had also mentioned today a vote, people in puerto rico casting a symbolic vote as to whether or not they want to remain a u.s. territory, a state or become independent, something that oscar lopez rivera has been fighting for his entire life. leland: yeah. that vote non-binding though within, essentially, sort of a preference vote that goes to the u.s. congress. bryan, i'm interested in this last part of, essentially, the financial abyss that puerto ric

while no, nelson mandela and madam president. -- it was a big deal to have. back in the 70s . liberia has always been america's biggest ally. you know with africa but he just congress. it was a big deal for ellen johnson sirleaf to do it. you know she had the pearls and the whole outfit. she can do liberian english and american english and go back and forth so she wrapped herself in her american cloak and delivers this very americanized type of speech. and she thanked congress for all he had done. and she says he is a bar piece of a beer. it was a huge political triumph for her. >> was at janet's time that - >> she was put in by banner and pelosi and cheney was there. it was quite the same. i watch the video again and again. that is when with barack obama. remember baynor was walking her down the aisle. ellen johnson sirleaf, and pelosi was there right there as well. they were escorting her into the chamber. you care about this. so they coming out and stopping and talking to everyone. members on both sides and shaking hands. and there's a moment with the with barack obama who

do have to apologize sounds like obama to well know each other i live by it so we school from nelson mandela but anyway it. is a stolen census i'm going to see all forms of really big in most of it as you know a lot of the most plagiarism has been plagiarised so from the point of from the point of view of the independence campaign that energized a nation to thank hey we might not we have big enough we're strong enough we're smart enough what economically stable enough to stand on a good two feet we what was it we want here we want to be a nation there's no nation in the planet has ever got independence from but action pugilism who's then said i'm shorting going to take his bach no one no one's done up we wanted to have the same rates as in yellow smoke continued what would look better than anybody lindsay with the big stuff but hey who was either and i think what we did is we used the social media to more bolides a lot of young people who had the two had not been traced according gaged and politics the unknowing gaged and the interesting thing is we have never drop in the general election an

breathtaking, both organizer and activist if you will, i kind of feel like she was honduras' nelson mandela. when i went there and understood the kind of actions she had and the type of impact she had way outside of her ethic group or whatever it was. when i asked would you do anything differently, they saw her organization as an enemy and they said yes, we know it is not enough to have a good project. you really need to understand the context within the project is being developed and i am like yeah, until i hear the next sentence. you have to know is there some ngo out there that has a lot of international support that's going to blow this thing up in your face. i was like how did fin fund get into a position where the people they claim they're out there trying to support which is local villagers, they just don't want electricity this way. how did that organization becoming the enemy rather than the type of community that you are trying to support. >> what was your answer? >> no, you have not said anything. >> that's okay, it is future cast fascinating. corruption is not a side thing. when

i kind of feel like she was honduras' nelson mandela.hen i went there and understood the kind of action she had had and the type of impact she had had way outside of her own ethnic group or whatever it was. when i asked would you do anything differently, they saw her organization as an enemy and they said, yes. we now know it is not enough to have a good project. you need to understand the context in which it is being developed. i go, yea. until i hear the next sentence, you have to know, is there some ngo out there that has a lot of international support that's going to blow the thing up in your face. i was like, how did finfund, get into a position where the very people they claim they are out there trying to support, which is local villagers, who want electricity, they just don't want lec tristy this way? how did that organization become the enemy rather than the type of community you are trying to support. >> you haven't said anything. this is fascinating. >> corruption isn't this side thing. it is deeply intertwined with self-govern

africa, they said this in paired the building of a true pan african movement -- no less than nelson mandela himself said this in paired the building of a true pan african movement. mr. kennedy: let's turn on this side. right up front. >> hi, ross johnson, wilson center. comment question and then a real question. it should not be a surprise that it took the united states to 1953 or something to crank up this effort, given the general demobilization of not just information but everything after world war ii. it is only the korean war that starts the military mobilization and all that. so it's not necessarily a surprise, i should think, and i wonder if -- i wonder if you are not reading too much into the so-called truman doctrine, which, to my mind, it is a comment, but i appreciate your reaction -- to my mind, it is not a worldwide doctrine. it is a doctrine about greece and turkey and not much else, actually, whatever the words are, so that is not necessarily a catalyst that one should look for immediate action. the question would be do you feel then in the book also specifically, in the voic

leader, a breathtaking organizer and activist, if you will, i kind of feel like she was hondura's nelson mandela, when i went there and really understood the kind of action she had had and the kind of impact she had had, way outside of her own ethnic group or whatever it was. asked, would you do anything differently, they saw her organization as an enemy and they said yes, we know it's not enough to have a good project, you really need to understand the context within which the project is being developed. i was like "yay," until i hear the next sentence which was you have to know, is there an ngo out there that has a lot of international support that will blow up in your face so that was was. and i was like how did they get into a position where the very people they claim they are trying to support which is local villagers who want electricity, how did that organization become the enemy rather than the type of communities are trying to support. and what was your answer. >> and what was your answer? >> i think what this goes to is that corruption isn't the side thing, it's deeply intertwined with

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19 marathons and if you do do that a lot. 27 in 27 days last year in south africa in honor of nelson mandelas your land, this land is my land, woody guthrie song. i ran through the whole united kingdom and south africa. you talk to people and shout to people held swro. it's a beautiful thing. i'm trying to do one a week. >> you said you're on a mission to build a place in society. you say i'm just a guy. sometimes girl. sometimes boy. sometimes funny. sometimes not. what matters to sue tyou is the humanity. >> we still have a monarchy system in our country. i now judge monarchy people about what they do in their lives. so that's it. i'm a transgender person but i'm trying to raise money running marathons, i'm an activist. i'm doing well for myself. i'm running for a member of parliament in the next general election. >> which party? >> labor party. >> labor just had a big victory. >> looks like a big victory. it's coming out like a big victory. this whole separation from europe, i'm performing in french, german and spanish. >> you speak all those languages. >> a pretty good french, pretty goo

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as nelson mandela put it, it only seems impossible until it's done, and i would apply that in that caseecause we failed in the past doesn't mean we shouldn't attempt it again. we should learn from those failed attempts and move forward and try to test it. that being said, there is no question that the difficulties and obstacles, the lack of interaction over years, the lack of relations and exchanges on both the governmental level and also on a societal level makes it harder. i would end on this note. if they decide to go down this path with any chance of success, it should also follow what president obama did with iran team and that was put together an a team of diplomats a scen assigned to carry this out. this is not something you farm out to your son-in-law, if i may say that. this is senior positions, a real negotiating team like we had with the koran talks and it also means filling positions in key capitals throughout asia and elsewhere. this would be a major undertaking of diplomacy. diplomacy is hard, especially with an adversary. as the iran deal showed, it's not impossible. >> t