nelson rockefeller. you know why? i knew the naming of a rockefeller would revive the conservative movement, nothing else would. if we can't take it from nelson rockefeller we can't take it from anybody. >> i never heard that. >> he had moved on his part. >> to take over the party the conservatives still needed to push their ideas. the most persistent sales man of a new kind of economics was nixon arthur laugher. laugher who thought high taxes were ruining america famously sketched what would become known as the laugher curve on a napkin. >> i had dinner with ronald rumsfeld once a week couple times we invited guests with us. i invited jude and he invited dick cheney my classmate. >> i knew art laffer we were in the same class at yale before i got kicked out. wh he was writing editorials to the wall street journal. the two of them came one night and wanted to have a beer after work. we went over to the two continent's bar in the washington hotel across the street from the treasurey building. this is in the early days

if his rival was not gold water liberal republican and governor nelson rockefeller. >> i always thoughtent nixon was the conservative while he may not be as conservative as i am he is a conservative. >> during the convention nixon flew to new york city to meet with rockefeller and in a so-called compact of 5th avenue agreed to liberalize the party's platform in exchange for rockefeller's support. >> if these basic positions are embodied in the sri pub can platform they can support in pride and vigor. >> conservatives were infuriated. >> they are gathered here and owed a little more respect than to have a secret meeting taking place in new york. >> they put co gold wauter's na in nomination and gave him an 11-minute ovation when he stepped in front of them. >> let's grow up conservative. if we want to take the party back i think we can some day let's get to work. >> gold wauter got up and said grow up conservatives we can take this party back. that was a rallying call to us and certainly to me. they were looking for barry goldwater. >> first conservative republicans closed ranks behind n

say -- >> in 68 the main competitors were two liberal governors george romney of michigan and nelson rockefellerk. that left an opening some conservatives thought ronald reagan even though he was governor for the last two years. >> i saw reagan he was a rival a serious rival. they were working with the rockefeller people to try to double team us in florida and break open nixon's delegations by denying him on the first ballot hoping it would fall apart. >> people don't realize people came close to winning in 1968. he had all kinds of people pledged on the second ballot. the nixon people had to make sure that they won of the first ballot. had it gone to a second ballot his majority would have unraveled. >> we have 30 votes for the nominee of this richard m. nixon. >> then he said if it wasn't nixon it would be rockefeller. i was there. if it wasn't nixon it would have been reagan. it came very close. >> i proudly move this convention declare itself unanimously united behind the candidate richard nixon as the next president of the united states. i so move. >> i came back and i said that's the man,

say -- >> in 68 the main competitors were two liberal governors george romney of michigan and nelson rockefeller that left an opening some conservatives thought ronald reagan even though he was governor for the last two years. >> i saw reagan he was a rival a serious rival. they were working with the rockefeller people to try to double team us in florida and break open nixon's delegations by denying him on the first ballot hoping it would fall apart. >> people don't realize people came close to winning in 1968. he had all kinds of people pledged on the second ballot. the nixon people had to make sure that they won of the first ballot. had it gone to a second ballot his majority would have unraveled. >> we have 30 votes for the nominee of this richard m. nixon. >> then he said if it wasn't nixon it would be rockefeller. i was there. if it wasn't nixon it would have been reagan. it came very close. >> i proudly move this convention declare itself unanimously united behind the candidate richard nixon as the next president of the united states. i so move. >> i came back and i said that's the man, he

say -- >> in 68 the main competitors were two liberal governors george romney of michigan and nelson rockefeller york. that left an opening some conservatives thought ronald reagan even though he was governor for the last two years. >> i saw reagan he was a rival a serious rival. they were working with the rockefeller people to try to double team us in florida and break open nixon's delegations by denying him on the first ballot hoping it would fall apart. >> people don't realize people came close to winning in 1968. he had all kinds of people pledged on the second ballot. the nixon people had to make sure that they won of the first ballot. had it gone to a second ballot his majority would have unraveled. >> we have 30 votes for the nominee of this richard m. nixon. >> then he said if it wasn't nixon it would be rockefeller. i was there. if it wasn't nixon it would have been reagan. it came very close. >> i proudly move this convention declare itself unanimously united behind the candidate richard nixon as the next president of the united states. i so move. >> i came back and i said that's the m

george romney of michigan and nelson rockefeller of new york.ft an opening some thought for ronald reagan, though he had been california governor for only two years. >> nixon saw reagan even then as a rival. serious rival. >> people don't realize that reagan came close to winning in 1968. he had all kind of people pledged on the second ballot. so they had to make sure they won on the first ballot. >> 30 votes for the nominee in this election, richard nixon. >> many of the pundits said if it's not nixon it would be rockefeller. i was there. if it wasn't nixon, it would have been reagan. i came close. >> bret: this series is fantastic. if you miss the first part of the series, see it saturday or sunday at 3:00 p.m. eastern time. we will talk about what is at stake in a lame duck congressional session with the fox all-stars when we come back. you might also want to try lifting one of these. a unique sea salt added to over 40 campbell's condensed soups. helps us reduce sodium, but not flavor. so do a few lifts. campbell's.® it's amazing what soup ca

jerry ford dumped nelson rockefeller for bob dole to run against in 1976. so stay tuned. >> larry: he never lets it go. i love woodward for that. he never let's it go. what are you working on now? >> i'm not sure. kind of seeing -- there's an awful lot going on. listening to anderson and you. i mean, in foreign affairs, domestic affairs, the obama presidency is being tested every day and we're going to see if

jerry ford dumped nelson rockefeller for bob dole to run against in 1976. i love woodward for that. he never let's it go. what are you working on now? >> i'm not sure. kind of seeing -- there's an awful lot going on. listening to anderson and

nelson rockefeller was confirms as the vice president. there have been important legislation passed but increasingly over the last decade or so it seems to me over and over again the theme is we haven't got a budget. haven't gone through the appropriate regulations process. congresses and presidents of both parties and it seems to be a recurring theme. >> suarez: norm, as the laundry list broken down really into two columns, the things we've got to do and the things we want to do. >> yes. this time we have a really really long laundry list because there's a pent-up demand. a lot of things that didn't make it through the congress. keep in mind one of the other part of the reasons here richard is right. it's the budget. but it's getting so much harder to get things through. if you don't get it done by the end of the year it's like a two-year mayor ton... marathon. you get to the two-inch line pf you cross the tape. if you don't pass it you have to go all the way back to the start again. in this case they have all the appropriations bills. n