presidency that vice president mondale came up with. 180 degreesy about from the vision that nelson rockefellerad at. whereas vice president rockefeller's view was everything about the vice presidency turned on the fact that the vice president was the first presidential successor. what vice president mondale tragedy was deemphasize the fact he was the first presidential successor and think about ways he can make the vice presidency and ongoing substantive position which was not focused on providing a successor to the president but in helping the president succeed. and that's that really changed the whole six -- psychology between the relationship between the president and the vice president and more importantly between the president's staff and the vice president. a part of thinking the government that he would run and all, he wanted simply to be a general advisor and troubleshooter. he would advise the president on matters across the board and would take up assignments for the president, but he did not want to own anything. he thought that if he owned a part of the program, that he would alien

questions to nelson rockefeller.he reporter making a reference to the former governor of new york. >> can you stand up for a moment? just end up. the phone people are here connecting. you have a disconnected phone. >> we have a telephone people and i want to tell you with the greatest efficiency in the most tremendous fee. they are right on the job. >> a good plug for the phone mr. vice president, can you tell us what happened what did you say? >> what did i say? what did you see? >> none of us know. if you did not get that sign back, he was given a rip it out of him. >> what sign? >> the reagan sign. he handed it to me and i just took it. i thought he was handing it to me. >> and then he went to get the reagan sign back? >> it was a man. >> he came to get that reagan signed back from you? does the smack of 1964 over again? >> a little on the light side. i am trying to get out but i cannot get out. >> the vice president wants to get out of here and he cannot unless we get out of here. a rather agile 68, i think it is

and tore it up and the utah delegates on what was happening and he took the sign away from nelson rockefellerave it back to the north carolina delegate. he agitated the whole situation and it was from rockefeller. host: hector from san diego. good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. -- the last comment answered my question in terms of security for the 1976 convention. host: what about security? guest: there was secret service, but that would never happen in a million years, they would not viceallow dick cheney or presidents for now or nominees to go on for today, even with all of the technology and all the other security. they would never allow the vice president or president to mingle with the delegates, except in the most controlled and limited circumstances. host: i say this with a smile on my face, look at the hair from 1976. john from philadelphia on the republican line. where the democrats will meet this time. caller: good morning. thank you for having me. my daughter is working the democratic convention as an electrician down there. wasmember back when reagan about to come i

and tore it up and the utah delegates on what was happening and he took the sign away from nelson rockefellerve it back to the north carolina delegate. he agitated the whole situation and it was from rockefeller. host: hector from san diego. good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. -- the last comment answered my question in terms of security for the 1976 convention. host: what about security? guest: there was secret service, but that would never happen in a million years, they would not viceallow dick cheney or presidents for now or nominees to go on for today, even with all of the technology and all the other security. they would never allow the vice president or president to mingle with the delegates, except in the most controlled and limited circumstances. host: i say this with a smile on my face, look at the hair from 1976. john from philadelphia on the republican line. where the democrats will meet this time. caller: good morning. thank you for having me. my daughter is working the democratic convention as an electrician down there. wasmember back when reagan about to come in

and tore it up and the utah delegates on what was happening and he took the sign away from nelson rockefeller gave it back to the north carolina delegate. he agitated the whole situation and it was from rockefeller. host: hector from san diego. good morning. caller: thank you for taking my call. -- the last comment answered my question in terms of security for the 1976 convention. host: what about security? guest: there was secret service, but that would never happen in a million years, they would not viceallow dick cheney or presidents for now or nominees to go on for today, even with all of the technology and all the other security. they would never allow the vice president or president to mingle with the delegates, except in the most controlled and limited circumstances. host: i say this with a smile on my face, look at the hair from 1976. john from philadelphia on the republican line. where the democrats will meet this time. caller: good morning. thank you for having me. my daughter is working the democratic convention as an electrician down there. wasmember back when reagan about to come

the cameras were still there in december of 1974 when nelson rockefeller was sworn, and so that was the first event in the senate chamber. they immediately took the cameras out, so there was no more televising. and then in the late 1970's, the panama canal treaty was being debated and it was a very significant issue at the time, huge amount of interest in it. the senate allowed national public radio to come in and to broadcast. i remember sitting in the staff gallery. right at the front was someone doing the play-by-play and introducing who was speaking at the time. the senators would speak, but nobody knew who the voices were. she would do a little introduction and then setting next to her was the woman doing sketches of the senators so they could have sketches of the evening news that night. that was the type of primitive broadcasting that was coming out of the chambers in the 970's. >> after the 1980 election, republicans gained control of the senate and howard baker became the majority leader. he was so interested in televising the senate that it became first revolution he introduce

director of the cia and the deputy of secretary of defense, state, sitting here last night, nelson rockefeller chairman of the joint and the president and me taking pictures and no one was saying anything. it was after the president made the decision to start the withdraw and went through the next 46 hours or so. one of the stories we didn't hear last night that would be interesting for you-all was how kissinger announced the withdraw was a success, all the americans were out and then went back and got a bulletin that said there are 25 american marines on the embassy rooftop who had been brought out and see, this is why i love being a photographer because there were some really interesting photographs of that moment, and ultimately had to go and correct that one, but being someone who had been in vietnam as a photographer when i went back on that trip vietnamese friends were asking me to take my kids out, it was really emotionally difficult and what i showed the president when i came back were photographs i took of refugees, of wounded people and we put -- i put the photographs and replaced al

i will never forget being there watching nelson rockefeller governor of new york and unsuccessful candidate make a speech with his wife, his second wife and in those days you forget today divorce was a huge, huge issue, more than today. his second wife in the convention most of the delegates booed and it wasn't just boot. you look at their faces, this is representative of the devil. the devil would have got the better perception and raucous. there was screaming and wow that is amazing. but that was the kind of raw emotion that you at sea the convention and things would happen. in 68 in chicago riots in thegor streets. the convention was going on. mayor daley wouldn't do it today. he has obviously passed away but where he in effect said some choice words.ord ribicoff connecticut, ribicoff connecticut he was speaking. the last convention we have for semi-contest was 1976 in kansas city between reagan and gerald ford. even their everyone sort of new ford had the slight edge. it was not going to be a landslide but the only scripted thing was after ford got the nomination and what's going to acc

two dates i have in mind from that senate historian's office, 1974 swearing in of nelson rockefeller and then in 1978, a debate over the panama canal treaty. what was behind the short-term experiments? mr. ritchie: we are getting ready to impeach richard nixon in and they did not know he was 1964, going to resign so the , senate prepared for an impeachment trial. looking over the wreckage of 1868 when they impeached andrew johnson, they realize that was the first time they handed out tickets to the galleries because everyone wanted to be there you there. you cannot really impeach a president and not allow the american public to watch it, so they agree to bring television cameras and for the president's impeachment trial, but that summer he resigned. the cameras were still there in december of 1974 when nelson rockefeller was sworn in so that was the first event in the senate chamber. they immediately took the cameras out, so there was no more televising. and then in the late 1970's, the panama canal treaty was being debated and it was a very big issue at the time, huge amount of inte

you know, back in 1964 when nelson rockefeller flamed out as the appointment, the republican establishment in pennsylvania governor bill scranton. he was the horse they used to get to the convention. he got clobbered. these folks, good folks they are have no horse here. governor walker has come out and said effectively, sounds to e many, he wants to abolish the wisconsin primary. if that's so, do it in 2020 but the fact of the matter is is that about 14 million americans, republicans and i might add a lot of them are conservatives. a lot describe themselves as very conservative. they voted quite deliberately for donald trump. i don't think this move is going anywhere but if it did for some strange reason, i think what you would have is conservatives in the base who voted for donald trump turning on the republican party and not only voting for whoever they nominated that was not donald trump but taking it out on those senators and congressmen and people like paul ryan, et cetera. >> so chris, paul manafort says he's not scared of you. in fact, he says that when you say you've got thousands

. >> the last time something like this was even remotely close was june of 1964 when nelson rockefellerg against barry goldwater pushed then governor of pennsylvania bill scranton into the race. he got clobbered. they don't have a bill scranton as it were. they don't have a mitt romney, a jeb bush, anybody here, so they've got a big problem. secondly, if by chance they succeeded, i mean there would be an open rebellion right on down the ballot from all these millions of people who voted for donald trump. we said okay if that's what you're requesting to do let's go there. i'll vote for my republican senator or congressman, maybe javier vice president of the house. it will be a problem. >> i know you guys are probably popping the popcorn on the democratic side ahead of the republican convention, but you know, hillary clinton's unfavorable ratings are not great either. >> dana there's a difference between getting to know the democratic nominee, presumptive nominee versus having someone who is your presumptive nominee who is just unfit to be president of the united states. every day brings

are trying to shift the republican party to the right even as ford feels the need to appoint nelson rockefeller and moderate republican as his vice president. >> you make a really interesting point along that line. you say when we think about the shift to conservatism in the republican party we tend to think of it as a grassroots effort but you just said it. this was being driven by political republican leaders in washington. >> yes, so they knew firsthand exactly what was going on. like osha for example or the epa. all these heavy-handed, so flash forward and we are not going to skip over jimmy carter but when reagan comes into office and he says government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem it's because there has been a huge expansion in the 1970s. and so that's the context for the anti-government campaign that he can run in addition to the failure of government to deliver in 1979. >> gerald ford becomes an ally presence you can't get a handle on this at all, right? >> yeah you know so he makes a really interesting decision, one which is hard to fathom today which i

now, nelson rockefeller. the viewers -- can i borrow this for a sec?have a disconnected phone. peopleave the telephone with the greatest efficiency and the most tremendous speed. i have to give them back so they can put it in. >> can you tell us what happened. what did you see? who did it and what happened? >> somebody came by, no one if youand told him that h did not get the sign back, he would rip up the phone. frome saw you take a sign a man, a reagan signed. >> he handed it to me. a little light side. the vice president wants to get out of here, and he cannot unless we get out of here. cvs helping. and, walter, back to you. the coverage will resume after this message. ♪ >> cbs news continues its special report. campaign 76. ♪ tonight, the third session of the republican national convention from the kemper arena in kansas city. this portion is sponsored by the ford motor company. ford wants to be your car company. now, again, walter cronkite. on 16 c continues to go on. cdelicate spoke against 16 and used the argument that it would foreclose ronald

in 1964, a split between the conservatives and progressives again with nelson rockefeller, the liberaltough bind that republicans are in. the difference is it's not just a conservative progressive split. it seems to be a temperament problem that many republicans have with a republican nominee. it's a very different nature and makes the vigor and vitality of the split seem even greater to people. >> it's difficult to see how the republicans coalesce behind donald trump because, you know, he gave that speech and used a teleprompter. you know, he tamped down his message and toned things down. but you know that's not going to last. >> they keep waiting for this presidential moment to happen when we thought it was going happen a month ago, six week ago. looked like he was going to win. and then turned toward trying to unite the party. it's much harder for them to unite it unless he leads the way. so but many feel that the party's future itself might be better off by not supporting him. so we're seeing something that's very unusual in party politics right now. >> so on one side you have demo

the last time, not to date myself but the last time this happened was 1964 when governor nelson rockefelleraries to barry goldwater. in june of 1964. governor scranton of pennsylvania was pushed to get into the race. he did get into the race. he got clobbered in san francisco and lost. however, at least they had a candidate. there is no candidate here. no mitt romney. no jeb bush. number one, you have to have that. secondly, allison, let's just say for the sake of the argument, what if they succeeded, there would be an uproar like you wouldn't believe from the 14 million people that voted for him. >> i would imagine. voters don't like being told that they didn't know what they were doing when they went to the ballot box. >> i don't know. yes, and no. sure, he won a plurality of votes but if you take all the other delegates, he did not win majority of republican primary voters. >> neither did mitt romney or john mccain. >> but, jeffrey, we have seen a lot about the candidate. a lot has happened since the early votes, since south carolina, since new hampshire, since iowa. we have seen a candi

i will never forget the mayor, watching nelson rockefeller, and governor of new york, a successful candidate make a speech, went out with his wife and in those days, we forget today that divorce is a huge, huge issue more than today. here he came but they your wife and most of the delegates were goldwater delegates, booed and it wasn't just boot. you could look at their faces. this is the representative of a double. the devil would've gotten better reception than the screaming. i thought wow, that is amazing. but that was a kind of raw emotion you would see at a convention. things are happening. 68. enough said it chicago, riots in the street with a convention going on. mayor daley wouldn't do it today, obviously passed away, where he in effect said some choice words. senator ribicoff of connecticut was speaking. we don't see very much of that. even a semi-contest 1976 in kansas city between reagan and gerald ford. even dare, everyone knew ford had a slight edge. it was not going to be a land like, but a slight edge. build a totally totally unscripted thing was after ford got the nomination,

establishment had been defeated and there was no love lost and i will never forget being there watching nelson rockefeller, governor of new york, unsuccessful candidate make a speech. went up with his wife, second life-- wife. we forget the divorce was a huge issue, far more than today. here he came with his second wife and most of the delegates were goldwater delegates booed and it wasn't just blue, you would look at faces and this was representative of the devil. the devil would have gotten a better reception and at thef raucous, screaming. lower. wow what. that is amazing. that was the kind of youat a raw emotion you would see at a convention and things would happen.n. 68, enough said. chicago, riots in the street. convention was going on. mayor daley, wouldn't do it today, obviously passed away, but where heat in effect said some choice words. w rubicon connecticut was speaking. you don't see much of that. the last convention we had even a semi- contestst was 1976 in kansas city between reagan and gerald ford, but even there we sort of-- everyone sort of new a sl ford had a slight edge. it would not b