>> there was a little bit of a fight with the neocons supply-side.nderstand the potency of those issues where you could see signs of this above the establishment republicans so the effects of issues of immigration on the forgotten man. and with the tea party movement what the supply-side feel that they agree with national defense so that is it like it is now at that time. ended up happening is they overtook the movement and it morphed into what it is today. so there was a moment in time we really thought we had a shot finallywh majorities people freaked t out. so people really freaked out but then what happened from my perspective i'm not having these nice guys no more nice guy. just send the philosopher after. and then with the digital age with cable so the entertainer replaced those and the country and the reactionary moment through the best entertainer finishing second in the race. >> and remember ben carson? >> and it testifies the importance of the 2012 election. >> so the world would be a very different place. but i agree that 2012 was a hinge

so the welcoming them in bringing the neocons and then finally the last group that enters the picturen the american right in the 1970s is the religious, right? so the religious right had been dormant in many ways at least at the national political level since the scope trial since the beginning of my story. but it's because of federal decisions. and judicial rulings in the 1970s and also because of disappointment. in the presidency of jimmy carter that you see evangelical and fundamentalist christians move en masse from the democratic party into the republican column the vehicle for that being the moral majority in 1980. and so the american right looks very different once you have the reagan revolution because not only does it have the buckley ice, but it now has the hard hats and now has the neoconservatives and it now has the religious right as well. i would add one thing there was there was inside the party. this is when i came of age was the supply side movement which really reinvigorated economics within the conservative movement from green eye shade austerity economics pain and

all products of urban coastal and so i never really thought of myself as a neocon, i thought of myself as a supply-side or. i didn't spend a lot of time on policy these days and eawe were fighting the polio account at this time which was pat buchanan, a little bit of pero and it was funny. i read from college on the national review but it was sullivan and guys like that over at the national review fighting it wasn't the weekly standard yet but it was, that's what it was called. so you had what were the neocons fighting the polio cons and some other cons in there, point being when the reagan era ended with the defeat of hw bush by clinton, a ton of soul-searching was going on. and theconservative movement turned inward and shot at each other . and not until a standardbearer emerged meeting the nominee in this case w who one. and then he worked on the compassionate conservatism. that never really took cold i would say, never really coalesced. a solid fusion because of circumstances, you know, wars and arrests, i won't get into it all but in the post reagan era in 92 when clinton won, we

>> there was a bit of a fight and this is back to the old neocon supply side back in those days.in hindsight, this is where we made some mistakes. a book about populism in the 80s, where the establishment republicans, the effects of issues like trade and immigration played into not just policy but people thinking, we were focused on the tea party movement, the supply-side field, all of us agreeing on strong national defense, the isolationism happened crept in and what ended up happening, trade and immigration issue over took and the tea party morphed into something like what it is today. there was a moment in time we thought we had a shot but when we did get our majorities we lost in 12, people freaked out after we lost in 12, but when we lost in 12 i think people kind of freaked out and what happened from my perspective, not having these nice guys on the ticket. let's send a velociraptor, apex predator to throw hand grenades. the entertainment wing of the party in the digital age with cable rose at the same time and the entertainers replaced the think tank type people, the intel

it is stimulated to controlling, excuse, chess, and you know, she, them, they were not us to dis, neocons. if you switch to look at more than the mean, should we do a visual is this is just nothing. you not see a stock choose up at the was stoker she is up with lower stock is super. anyway, that show me, i think say, makes informational videos, but then it's residence to inform them of what's happening on the streets of their city. he encourages them to be extra cautious. why? somebody come out of me. i mean the pistol. catherine is just for sale. it's a buffet, my dna prefer my dentist policy bill, which that's what i thought i'm put, she will thing you go or so that on yet it was was that are going to come with the more some of the british this or you can install it with almost the obsidian area, sir, but south city goes all is going to be, i'm it be in lacrisha. could you demo from a great deal of subordinate? my whole usa mammogram, room location. the bisco community post office is through a door community. for, for am i do you need before i do ask that the quote for failed budget to

that neocons inviting the paleo cons and some other groups in there.the point being when the reagan yearbu ended with the defeat of h.w. bush by clinton a ton of soul-searching was going on. in the conservative movement turned inward and shot at each other. until it merged this case it was debbie who one. on the compassionate conservativism. and it really took hold. never really replaced eight solid diffusion because of circumstances and the rest. the post- reagan era and clinton one we were in an internal struggle for the future of the conservative movement i think we are. we have had a pauses. we have won some white houses but we have never settled into a posture of a maturity movement that is capable racking up consistent majorities presidency is importing in place a governing agenda for the 21st century for that is still underway it's dominated by trunk which is not really an agenda. still in this. i think underneath that is the kind of fight we are having in the digital. >> atil await your book describs the post- reagan right is very similar andnd

will benefit eventually or next or to very different women have expressed the common alignment as neocons on a friday podcast. former us secretary of state, hillary clinton and condo liza rice spoke on the necessity and effectiveness of american military interventions in international conflicts. here other share thoughts. in our case, we thought saddam hussein had weapons of mass destruction. you can to let that continue. are you going to take him out and then do the best that you can do? we just sit back and hope for the best or do we try to be positioned in enough places with enough support? that we can be a good ally to those who are counting out that the record, democrat, a democratic countries actually don't invade their neighbors democratic countries, don't harper terrorist democratic countries don't use weapons of mass destruction in the bulk of rice and clinton explained the reasons for invasions conducted by the us, criticize ross of invading ukraine and how democratic states don't use weapons of mass destruction over this flight to the historic atomic, bombings of hiroshima and

you know paula delano as that should just don't give me the neocons to do so. and then if toyota mean is a cool new with the 2 guys, not able to bonnie it in the probably see if the mazel 3, he approaches them, that's his kid. that's his for marijuana. and you pull my guy the diverse of your shots. ah, that's in the you know, real old nazi's the head against jews and the it le fans and in the new type of nazis, wagons russians now and one to national life. so to say make, i didn't the red hot burning nationalists of their people. we mean, deal us result in finance you to and you pretty was baton you great in talking to the she would though it is granted that there were still but she just was be the list neither satilla because natalie sits on the persona group, propagandistic nikoto was gone, yeah, so she to hoping lumen for months without that additional shooting a bullet. wishing i b, m. e animal, a guaranteed on star only the to put it on you said in our shop to make it would never have grown that far. and that much if the americans had not paid hundreds of

and this was all driven by the neocons in the united states to isolate, to, to contain russia. now russia to put in himself, said the, that you're approaching a red line. he made that very clear in the december discussions and an exchange of documentation that the stolen burgundy us didn't believe me. it just take him at his word and they and they kept pressing. we should have learned lessons from the georgia, 2008 excursion. we didn't, we put georgia up, in fact they had moved there. the u. s. a. marines, i just finished maneuvers in a joint operation or joint exercise with georgia back in 2008. we, we don't, we think that we're so invincible that, that was what we say rules, and it's not when, when you, when you contain a country such as georgia or russia rather, and you bring in nato right up to the federation line. you're going to feel threatening, is nowhere else to turn pollutant made that very clear. and we, when we came halfway across the world to, to exercise our power. and now we're, we're reaping the, the, the, the consequences we are not. we are again, our own worst

as of the national review conservatives have to decide how do these neocons fit into the picture. i have always remember the moment that i rated in research, and editorial and the spring of 1971, and the national review responding to essays and commentary magazines, clearly indicative of the other commentary at the time, moving to the right. in the title of this editorial was come on in the water is fine. as of the welcoming them in. in bringing in the neo- cause and finally lots with it enters the picture in the market right in the 1970s, religious rights. so, the religious right have been dormant in many ways the least that the nationalio political level since the scopes trial since the beginning of the majority. but it is because the federal decisions and judicial rulings in the 1970s and also because the disappointment in the presidency of jimmy carter and you see evangelical fundamentalist christiansunti me on moss from the party into the the vehicleolumn in was the moral majority in 1983 as of the american right was very different once you have the reagan revolution because

o, under president biden, we see that the lobbyists and the military industrial complex and the neocons are really getting what they want, which is a war with iraq. it, it may even come just in a tactical strike, but its ramifications will be historic and world changing. oh, chris of him. you mentioned the j. c. p o a we haven't heard about for months. i'm clearly the button in the session is not the reverse. anything that trump has done before, but is it really why is for the us this economic situation to get involved with what could happen in iraq? i mean, could they really do? i mean, at the end of the day, the economy, every country is struggling, cost of living is up, out of american people going to back an invasion again in the middle east. i don't know if they would back an invasion if they would back something that you know, sort of was in the dreams of donald rumsfeld, some small tactical force. i'm heavy air bombardments, the american people haven't felt the effects of war. most americans don't even know veterans anymore. you know, we have such a small percentage of the popula

i'm surprised it always voted democratic, but it's now a neocon party.very strange when i was growing up the democrats were the new left parties. my first political experience was at 15 years old. i participated in the protests against the vietnam war are pretty much democratic now. we will hardly find anyone in the party who is against the war of 30 democrats congressional progressives issued a letter calling for their fellow party members to negotiate their mere powder. that's it, they had to withdraw the letter and yet the dynamics are assumed. in which direction more and more people will ask, why are there no negotiations in the american mass media? there are extremely few who would like to understand the history of the issue, no one wants to understand what happened since 2014. nobody is interested in the maidan of yanukovych's publication in 2008, and no one is interested in inviting ukraine and georgia to look deeper on february 24th. nevertheless, sparks appear who at least ask a question. and what is happening in general, someone does not want i

there are traditional neocons versus the trump side isolationists of the party. what we will see going forward is a growing struggle to get ukraine aid past. and if it does get passed, kevin mccarthy might turn democratic votes for the implication of his leadership. we have also been spending a lot of money to prop up the ukrainian government budget so that they can pay their soldiers and continue to have a government. even for those who have voted for aid in the past, it might be difficult to have them fund government rebuilding or the ukrainian government itself. we may be able to provide lethal aid, but not humanitarian aid. one day it may become difficult to pass it at all, that has implications internationally. >> i think this was a good election for president zelenskyy. i think the fact that the democrats controlled the senate is significant although mitch mcconnell has been a strong supporter of aid for ukraine. i think this is not an issue where ultimately the republican party is going to try and block aid. i think it's going to be -- there will be run ma

i'm surprised it always voted democratic, but it's now a neocon party.very strange when i was growing up the democrats were the new left parties. my first political experience was at 15 years old. i participated in the protests against the vietnam war are pretty much democratic now. we will hardly find anyone in the party who is against the war 30 progressive democrats in congress issued a letter calling for negotiations, their fellow party members they just wiped off the powder. i had to withdraw the letter and yet the dynamics are expected. in which direction more and more people will ask, why are there no negotiations in the american meist? there are extremely few who would like to understand the history of the issue, no one wants to understand what happened in 2004. nobody is interested in the maidan of yanukovych's edition of 2008 , and no one is interested in inviting ukraine and georgia to nato to look deeper on february 24th. nevertheless , sparks appear who at least ask a question. and what happens in general, someone does not want, so that it d

there are traditional neocons versus the trump side isolationists of the party. what we will see going forward is a growing struggle to get ukraine aid past. and if it does get passed, kevin mccarthy might turn democratic votes for the implication of his leadership. we have also been spending a lot of money to prop up the ukrainian government budget so that they can pay their soldiers and continue to have a government. even for those who have voted for aid in the past, it might be difficult to have them fund government rebuilding or the ukrainian government itself. we may be able to provide lethal aid, but not humanitarian aid. one day it may become difficult to pass it at all, that has implications internationally. >> i think this was a good election for president zelenskyy. i think the fact that the democrats controlled the senate is significant although mitch mcconnell has been a strong supporter of aid for ukraine. i think this is not an issue where ultimately the republican party is going to try and block aid. i think it's going to be -- there will be run ma

you have the neocons of the republican party. are like i am really not like that, and one thing donald trump is learn how to do. he has learned how to use people skills. he will use jewish people, the black people, klansman. the people that run around behind him. he is making money off of them. host: kathy is next on the republican line. caller: hi, i have a question to ask. why is it that nobody, no newscast talks about what ftx has done with the crypto coin when it points back to 90% of that money went to the democratic party? host: we just had a segment talking about cryptocurrency in the last couple of weeks on this program. i don't recall the exact day. you will have to look at the archives to find it for yourself. why is an important topic in your mind? caller: i believe the people who got that money needs to return it to the people who were playing that cryptocurrency. i do not believe that if we spend $30 million to a democratic party that they should be entitled to keep other people's money. that is thievery. host: ginge