seems like nepa and environmental impacts that under nepa will continue to be reviewed on such a plan of there is a programmatic agreement. >> yeah. so that will be a high-level nepa document high-level not termed as programmatic document but will require follow-up from nepa we don't have design we'll have to - the programmatic agreement was set up to be taken when we get into more details knowing that will layout the steps that we get a good programmatic agreement as we proceed and more time to really address the historic resources. and the nepa process again is that high-level also so we'll have to have follow-up nepa documents for the closer project you. >> thank you. >>. thank you. >> commissioner foley. >> i want to say a couple of things thank you, you're doing a lot of things we appreciate that i kind of want to follow up to one of my first comments i did say a strategy when i think about ocean beach i think about the marina and think about fort madison president matsuda and i do hope that is at a certain point a comprehensive strategy my concern dealing with one point is case

and described our predicament because of nepa is a build nothing country.what of my recollections? -- recommendations, one set takes tax incentives, a well-constructed tariff and tax credits for expenditures and channeling unrealized capita and posing a stiffer tariff on chinese batteries and all components of chinese origin and we need to impose that tariff even on friendly trading companies so they won't be pass-throughs. if they adopt the same tariff we do, we can waive the tariff. the goal is not here to create a tariff block against our allies but against china. >> if you could finish up we'll get back to the recommendations and answers and questions as well. >> in addition, there are trillions of unrealized capital gains sitting on the sidelines that ought to be freed up for the domestic mineral processing unlike direct incentives and i want to stress this, tax incentives keep the pivotal decision in the hands of americans rather than government officials and there needs to be serious reform of nepa. finally, i want to state the many assumptions about

westerman: because it was a clear consensus and prior historical evidence demonstrating nepa would not apply to the development of the campus after the administrative jurisdiction transfer, the legislative text did not include any superfluous clauses stating nepa's applicability. in addition to this, it is my hope d.c. and the department of interior will abide by congress' six-month time frame provided in the legislation to reach all necessary agreements and complete the transfer. before i yield back, i would like to take a moment to recognize the hard work and collaboration of chairman comer, delegate holmes norton and the entire staff of the committee on oversight and accountability. i'd like to thank ranking member grijalva for his team and the transportation and infrastructure team to getting this legislation to the floor today. finally, i'd like to recognize several people without whom this legislation would not be possible, beverly perry, jerry, and lisa pittman. and also from the house natural resources staff, amelia butler, brandon miller, collin morrow, and taylor wiseman. i u

but if we go very slowly and allow nepa to continue its operations, we'll find that 40 years will go by with nothing. >> so wild success is 10 years. >> pretty good in the manufacturing business. >> dr. rozo, i wanted to ask you about a different wild success. what if the chinese are wildly successful on the investment and research and development side, particularly this nexus you explained between a.i. and biotech. we had conversation earlier about the threat and risk is abstract and therefore people aren't moving with the sense of urgency. i'm grateful your organization exists and working on these problems but we grapple with what does worst case look like, what does chinese wild success look like? >> thank you for the question. i think it's multifacet and we talked about the potential for misuse of biotechnology and what that would look like if an adversary has different ethics and values around using technology and what that would mean. there are human as he can't pictures of this technology we have to -- aspects of this technology we have to grapple with and how mastery could im

the situation changed with the beginning of nepa, the new economic policy and the revival of the hardcalled labor. adopted a resolution on the beginning of collectivization and the fight against the kulaks. it was large agricultural enterprises, collective farms and state farms that were supposed to provide the country with bread and meat and ensure industrialization. peasants and individual farmers could not cope; a card system had already been introduced. right-wing communists in the soviet leadership, led by nikolai bukharin, offered to help them increase purchase price. but stalin needed total state control over the countryside and destruction. collective farms and state farms drove the peasants by force. stalin's call to destroy the kulaks as a class became an act of social genocide. the peasants , the so-called kulaks, were deprived of all their property and money, sent into exile, many did not survive, the uprising and riots were brutally suppressed , the result was a sharp reduction in the grain harvest and mass slaughter of livestock; famine, millions fell victim to it, only

that if a project sponsor fails to do the appropriate outreach that it could lead to a failure of nepa or a title 6 concern and if those concerns that could lead to that project for not getting cleared by the department . by that assessment it does make sense with the federal highway administration, would they determined that a revised scope of the project without additional assessments and new public comment periods, that constitutes a failure by nepa, correct? >> i do understand your concerns about the three projects that involve this and oregon and we will continue to follow nepa and make sure the public receive the necessary information . >> but that hasn't been done to that point. >> there has been a pause and no answer down the road and no new testimony taken by the public and to me that is a failure of nepa, correct? >> i am aware the governor has paused that and we will continue to work with the states and communities that are part of these projects. >> odot has not yet proposed a mitigation plan so this proposal then seems to be moving the goal posts and that is a problem for

but if we go very slowly and allow nepa to continue its operations, we'll find that 40 years will go by with nothing. >> so wild success is 10 years. >> pretty good in the manufacturing business. >> dr. rozo, i wanted to ask you about a different wild success. what if the chinese are wildly successful on the investment and research and development side, particularly this nexus you explained between a.i. and biotech. we had conversation earlier about the threat and risk is abstract and therefore people aren't moving with the sense of urgency. i'm grateful your organization exists and working on these problems but we grapple with what does worst case look like, what does chinese wild success look like? >> thank you for the question. i think it's multifacet and we talked about the potential for misuse of biotechnology and what that would look like if an adversary has different ethics and values around using technology and what that would mean. there are human as he can't pictures of this technology we have to -- aspects of this technology we have to grapple with and how mastery could im

the situation changed with the beginning of nepa, the new economic policy and the revival of the hard regained their former popularity, the secret of deposits was formally restored and citizens were lured with advertising, for example, like this: i saved money in a savings book and bought a button accordion for my son. at the end of the eighties, savings banks accumulated savings worth 360 billion rubles, but almost all of them were devalued by market reforms in the early nineties, and a completely different era began. on february 1, 1930, the ussr government adopted a decree on the beginning of collectivization and the fight against the kulaks. it was large agricultural enterprises, collective farms and state farms, that were supposed to provide the country with bread and meat. the peasants and individual farmers could not cope; the rationing system had already been introduced; the right-wing communists the soviet leadership, led by nikolai bukharin, offered to help them increase purchase prices, but stalin needed total state control over the countryside and the destruction of privat

any you that have been involved in the development know about various environmental regulations like nepa and going through the hoops that have to go through to get a project permitted. a lot of hopes, a lot of hope. and what what do you think? where should our policy be heading towards? what are your thoughts there? well, i tell you what, robert, let's just if you bear with me for a thought exercise, let's say you owned 1000 acres in oregon, just hypothetically. and you convinced that there's a massive lithium deposit there and you want to mine it. where do you start? who do you call? which agency. do you talk to? do hire a lawyer. do you hire several lawyers? do you talk to? oregon state officials? do you talk to people in? washington. it's really confusing. i mean, i spent years talking to people for this book. and i can tell you every single executive that i talked had a different answer. but they all were confused. just confused. just like, what are the steps that we need to take? and, you know, so time and time again, i talked to a lot of in industry and conservationists and environ

pad, and as that change it required a new look at the environmental peace to ensure compliance with nepa and to ensure compliance with environmental species act, which required a consultation with the fish and wildlife service. so we conducted that consultation with the fish and wildlife service in accordance with u.s. law. to your second question about china and their programs, i'm not as familiar with what china does there, but i can tell you with a surety that we follow u.s. law and procedure in our environmental review process associated with the second launch of starship. >> thank you, ranking member. i'm not familiar with the chinese legal structure, but i know enough to say i wouldn't find it as a good model for us. >> well look, i've been to that pad with a large occurred, and to tell you the answer is no. in china you cannot do that. you don't have those suits. in russia the answer is no. let me ask you this. when china or russia undertakes a national space mission, do either of them wait for months to go through litigation with the domestic versions of earth justice or the cent

to me, that is a nepa failure. correct? >> we will continue to work with the states and communities that are part of this -- mc odot therefore, this entire proposal seems like it keeps moving the goal post. that's a problem for somebody like myself who represents the entire constituency who decided that they don't want tolling any longer. the public like myself for getting frustrated as you can probably hear it in my voice. the sorts of plans for tolling or so speak presented to motorists, mayors, counties, and small businesses can make meaningful comments. let's not burden our commuters or create habit for small businesses and communities who still struggle with the impact of tolling. again, administrator, based on what we have discussed so far. here today, and in prior months, do you believe this process is seriously flawed and can you commit to me and to my constituents to a redress of grievances from the communities in the fifth district to either assist them in finding the review process, create new transparent lines o

try to something in this country and run into layers of nepa certifications and environmental regulations that have nothing do with protecting the environment. but they have a lot to do with employing bureaucrats are critiques of the administrative state are very often correct. but our answer to this can't be every single time the american people give us power, the only thing that we try to do is to trim down the thing that gave us control over. sometimes we ought to say, you know, instead of just trimming thing down, why don't we actually make it more responsive to the will of the people the most in my view, the most egregious and out of part of the deep state in this country is the department of justice. the leadership. the department of justice is actively its political opponents. i'm not just talking about donald trump, of course, we know that douglas mackey is is almost at the brink of being sort of serving prison time. i understand that federal court stepped in and prevented him from going to prison. why? for posting a meme for posting a joke. merrick garland is trying to throw this

time the consumer if i'm of the process that in with the project being categorical exclusion from nepa current system is a very to entry to borrowers, lenders and grantees to participate. when you do often spend much time and money to meet paperwork requirements, all that keeps funds from being f deployed in rural america. the department of energy is issued rules too make charging stations and solar projectsgi categorically excluded within a duty and department of homeland security adopted for their departments.pa my question is what steps is usda taking to put the statutory categorical exclusions listed in the fiscal responsibility act? specifically loan guarantees and if no action has been taken yet when can we expect actions to be taken by usda to implement those proficient? >> we use categorical exclusions on a regular basis and are programs when there's an opportunity to use it we do use it. i am particularly aware of how often we use in the forest service and/or m to move process along. >> okay. >> 85% of activities we ae can enter forest service the last tthree years have used i