and then we have this organization that is over it called nerk as well as ferk. the government doing to make sure the local electric companies comply with the requirements and the advancements in technology to prevent us from a cyberattack a? >> well, judge, basically what they are doing is they are holding hearings and taking a look at the way they are implementing regulations. they have crafted regulations and they have done a lot of work through 2012. but none of the stuff has been promulgated in a way that makes sense and in a way that can be used by the utilities in a coherent fashion from a through z that you can be assured that they will protect their consumers. what we have is a haphazard approach of a utility system and regulatory regime that has not kept pace with the signer threats and any of the other threats out there. >> cedric, look, you are in intelligence and michael, you as well. you are in the military both of you. how can the united states government allow this to happen? how could they not require those local companies to comply as opposed to

several programs on critical infrastructure, protection, referred to as cyber security standards that nerk ferse and force. every one of the major utilities that plug into the 450,000 miles of high voltage line are responsible for the security. through the appropriate oversight. whether we can prevent that, that's a question. however, we have been localize it quickly. >> thanks very much. director of the technological leader institute joining us now. >> hackers broken in to the website known as silk road. nearly 3 million in bitcoin was stolen from the site and users. silk road acts as a middle maup. none of its anti-hacking measures could have prevented the attack from happening. >> one school in new york is teaching students how to hack for a good reason. every week dozens order pizza, play music and fire up the laptops. >> you are really hacking into websites. simple as that. >> it's scary when you think about it. it's called hack night. here the websites are breaking into are fake. you have made your own version of flicker. billed to teach the students how to become so-called white hac