but then once these violations of the paroles happen, the british commander i believe his name is nesbitt balfour orders them on to the prison ships. and to punish them for those violations of rules. yes. >> thank you for your work. certainly very novel and interesting. >> thank you. >> how do you tell intentional harm, when you're a prisoner, versus gross negligence? at least gross negligence. you can make an argument with the british, a lot of it arguably was gross negligence. just didn't understand how diseases worked or the money they were putting in. clearly at least gross negligence. but you cited some angry words by americans, but how did they really translate into intentional harm or was it mostly just the lack of funds, they were not well organized when it came to money and raising money and appreciation of money or what is your view on that? >> that's a great question. >> also a sliding scale, you know? >> yes. where does gross negligence begin and cruelty begin? i would argue from the position of a prisoner, starving in a camp, doesn't matter what the intentions were. but there