software to do logical access so that 6,000 agents, if they go after tsunami, they can go on any netnetwork, including internet cafe and get that information, whether it's mobile, et cetera, and last but not least, physical access to every interpol office. all that technology resides on this little card that -- this is a real one. that those 6,000 agents choose around the world today as they follow crime, jurisdictions, that have three different standards, three different use cases that allows them to do their job. why is it important? because it's what he has to or she use every day. to the extent it's not something you use every day, it will not be useful at the time and need in some event. >> so basically you're saying cyber crime where we -- my mike is on. where a place in cyber crime where we were in the '30s with the bad guys running around with thompson machine guns and the cops carrying .38 revolvers. >> worse than that, we're isolated. we're isolated here in the u.s., as my colleague said, the most at risk and no ability to interwork with the capability with the good guys to defend

you mentioned in your testimony how communication networks are critical to other infrastructure netnetwork, how s this this address cyber security of communications networks, anybody want to respond to that? >> well, i think in the opening remarks, a few of you mentioned going on that ntia at fcc that could reduce risk, right? and one of the examples we've heard about is, of course, this measure to get the internet service providers to adopt a voluntary code of conduct to deal with malware. it's a good thing to do. the fcc has an effort to promote the use of dns security, dns sec. not to get too complicated but this is a growing vulnerability. it's relatively easy to fix. other countries have moved faster than the u.s. something question probably do on a collaborative basis. the third thing to look at is some of the responsibilities for other activities, other protocols, this is a place where you don't want the government creating technology, right? it's not for this kind of level of technology. but you do want to maybe coordinating a response. and so when you look at fcc, when you look at