you know so they had a very high market share and microsoft was concerned that netscape was going to basically take over that it was going to be a threat to its operating system so instead of just competing fairly and coming out with a new internet browser to compete fairly what they did is they came out with internet explorer and they integrated it with the operating system. and at the same time they entered into exclusive contracts with the p.c. manufacturers that would would make sure that the default was always going to be the internet explorer this basically ran netscape out of business and that was what the case was about the judge ruled in favor of the d.o.j. decided in their favor saying that. this predatory tactic that was used was was done to maintain the monopoly in the operating system ok so with that as the basis it was it was that sort of that sort of set the stage for future antitrust litigation in this in the in the case law and how is that standard being used if so now well you know it's interesting because i think it set the stage for companies like google and apple

it's netscape. it invested in names like google and twitter and uber and amazon.com. he's partner at cliner perkins. he's writing books. his latest is "straight talk for start ups." before that he was a baker, janitor, and caught economics at a cooking school. really? >> yeah. it was night school. >> desperately needed to cook and understand simultaneously. >> i guess. i guess. you teach through your books. it's hardly your first. how many do you have? >> four. >> and one of the most famous is -- >> yeah. that's probably about the heart and soul of entrepreneurship. it foretold the bust. >> i have a question for you in venture capital industry. have you been criticized for funding mostly male and white start ups. i look at your investments and i saw all eight were founded by men. i was wondering do you see it as an issue? what are some steps you're taking to try to address this? >> i think it's an issue as a industry for the whole. i have invested in women-led in other companies, as well. unfortunately you don't see them in the bio because they weren't as successful.

i think there was netscape. the interns were on netscape. then, you got your library. look things up in the library. so yeah, i know a lot of personal research. i am hands-on and want to know everything. you know it when you see it. instead of people bringing you random things, it is hard. sometimes only you know what you are looking for. june: it is hard to articulate. john: that is true. we had the assignment of doing the president's dedication speech for the world war ii memorial. one of my favorite writers of all-time, ernie pile, who wrote mostly column throughout of the 1930's and throughout world war ii until the day he was shot dead by a sniper. talk about beautiful writing. when that assignment came up, the first thing i thought was, we have to get arnie pile. every living person who remembers that war will be touched when they hear his words. you go looking for something nice, i've got news for you. it is on every page. that was a joy in delight. then, when an eminent person dies, or you are preparing for that event, you can't say the role.in the research 10

i think there was netscape, the interns were on netscape, and then you had the library. i did a lot of personal research, too, because i'm very hands-on and want to know everything. you know it when you see it instead of people bringing you random things. it's hard. >> well, yeah, and sometimes only you know what you're looking for to be able to articulate it. and that's true. i remember we had the assignment during the president's dedication speech for the world war ii memorial. and one of my favorite writers of all time is ernie pyle who wrote a daily column through most of the 1930s and throughout world war ii until the day he was shot dead by a sniper. but talk about beautiful, beautiful writing. and so when that assignment came up, the first thing i thought was, we got to get ernie pyle in president bush's speech on world war ii. every living person in the english-speaking world who remembers that war remembers ernie pyle and will be touched when they hear his words. and you go looking for something nice in ernie pyle, i've got news for you, it's on every page. that

lexis-nexis and old autodial things and i think there was netscape, the interns were on netscape. it was harder. then you had to go to the library and look things up in the library. i'm very hands-on and i want to know everything. you know it when you see it, instead of interns bringing you random things. >> sometimes only you know what you are looking for. >> exactly! >> that is true. i remember, we had the assignment during the president's dedication speech for the world war ii memorial. one of my favorite writers of all time, ernie pyle, who wrote a daily column through most of the 1930s and throughout world war ii up until the day he was shot dead by a sniper, talk about beautiful, beautiful writing. that assignment came up , the first thing i thought was, we have to get ernie pyle and president bush's speech, every living person speaking english that remember that war remembers ernie pyle and they will be touched when they hear those words. if you are looking for something nice that ernie pyle said, i've got news for you, it's on every page. that was a joy and delight. when a

i think the interns were on netscape. it was harder. you had to go to the library. you had to look things up in the library. and very hands-on and i want to know everything. you know it when you see it, instead of interns bringing you random things. it's hard. >> sometimes only you know what you are looking for and it's hard to articulate. that's true. i remember, we had an assignment during the president's dedication speech for the world war ii memorial. one of my favorite writers of all time, ernie pyle, who wrote a daily column through most of the 1930s and throughout world war ii until the day he was shot dead by a sniper. talk about beautiful, beautiful writing. that excitement came up -- assignment k not -- came up, the first thing i thought was we have to get ernie pyle. every english speaking person who remembers that were remembers ernie pyle and will be touched in a hear his words. you go looking for something nice and i got news for you, it's on every page with ernie pyle. that was a joy and a delight. then when an eminent person dies or you are preparing

talking, you look at established names in the automotive industry, following his food steps like netscape was visionary in the internet but they didn't make any money, ultimately it was the second and third the more established companies -- neil: you're right. >> followed in the visionary's footsteps and ultimately i'm afraid -- kevin: do you think they would have been made if they were subsidize by the government? tesla, they get tax breaks. neil: people on earth who need them. >> like jessica's parents. kevin: that's another issue that we need to talk about. neil: that's a fair point. that helps in lower manhattan. >> and better weight balance. [laughter] neil: that's a weird thing. i want to bring in my buddy in wall street journal global economic editor jon hilsenrath, back and forth of tesla comes at the exact same time investors are trying to get a handle on turkey and what's going on there and china and trade talks, how is this all unfolding in washington, jon? >> well, in washington we have allow-level talks restarting next week at the treasury department with china, you know, i t