in one case, a woman is a neu neuropsychologist. >> this is just a lottery, just because you're luckyget to get a green card. these 22,000 people, i'm just saying, if the government told you you got a green card and took it back -- >> if you're in the group that didn't get one, you're saying, i didn't get a fair chance. it's a good debate. another good debate, no security that manufacturing was one of the industries that built america and took quite a beating in the recession. this may surprise you. since 1975, manufacturing output, the stuff we make, has more than doubled, but employment in that sector has dropped by 31%. so the industry, pete, is not dead. we are doing more with fewer people. >> right. >> because of tech nothing, because of automation. >> right. technology and automation have taken over. they have replaced humans. there's not much you can do about that. but in america, there is something that we can do to educate our people or to get our young people interested in these engineering and manufacturing jobs, anecdotal, but women -- a friend of mine's young daughter is