i said at the time, there were like neurotic liberals who when they were afraid that, you know, obamare -- he's a dream for the times commercially. i guess the challenge for you is how do you balance it with the journalism. >> i think it's actually worked well for nate and for the times. but there's no question that he's brought a lot of traffic, he's brought a whole new group of people, you know, a younger demographic into "the times" readership. and once you're there on the site, maybe you'll check out some other things. >> i'll tell you, really, he has done that. >> but it's funny to me, because nate silver sort of embodies the first topic we were talking about, which is, do you give balance to both sides, or do you look at things statistically and objectively and say, okay, this is where the outcome is. and i think this election result sort of vindicated the type of thing that nate was doing. he was right, he was looking at numbers while other people were saying, well, maybe the poll's off here, we should give this side more credence. >> actually, what nate was doing, he was looki