c-span: early in the book, you mention richard neustadt. >> guest: and then neustadt comes along... >> guest: yes. >> guest:...right after rossiter's book and says, 'well, presidents don't really have that much power, do they?' >> guest: they're faced with a choice. >> guest: 'they're faced with a bureaucracy that they didn't appoint and can't get rid of; they're faced with a powerful congress, one of the most powerful legislative institutions in the world, always has been. what is this about the president being so powerful?' and then neustadt writes again a very influential book... c-span: who is he? >> guest: he's a political scientist also. >> guest: at harvard university. >> guest: mm-hmm. >> guest: neustadt's famous quote, or assertion, is that presidential power is the power to persuade. and he believed that presidents wouldn't necessarily be powerful if they didn't persuade the public and if they didn't persuade the beltway and those in washington, that they'd probably be little more than caretakers in their administration. so contrasting that with rossiter who idealized the of