we need to bring them in, offer them treatment and once again, neutrknewiz izneutralize the th. we need to offer them treatment and activate them and incorporate them into the society. the message is one of pra matism and compassion, in all areas of the condition. >> thank you. mr. somers. we will have questions for you, if you want to chip in, if i may, at any stage, please feel free to do so. is there anything you want to add? >> i think he's doing splendidly. >> thanks, chip. he runs the treatment where i got clean, so -- >> we are coming to him -- >> he's already the puppeteer between every articulation. >> mr. ellis? >> thank you, mr. chairman. mr. brapd, ynd, you said addicts an illness. >> yes. >> but would you say it is fair to characterize it as self-induced? >> not really. >> like many other illnesses. and also that it does carry with it victims, many people who are on drugs commit offenses against other people, do they not? so, it dife erdifers in that, a well. when one is looking at the criminal justice system, doesn't one need to have compassion for the victims of c