example -- we have a lot of companies that open secondary ffices, and they often just go to nevada or oregon. why not international? why not columbus, ohio? we have not done our part, if you will, to actually take we are able to create into the middle of the ountry. you're not looking for computer programming skills. you're looking for market skills. you can hire folks across the country, but people normally have not made the effort. i think that is on us to bridge that gap. there is a ot to be done for us to expand across the country. ms. lim: but how easy is that to do, to ring in more of a foreign-born population in two parts of the country where there has not been that much? mr. fix: we are actually doing a study of metropolitan areas in the rust elt, which is really interesting because in almost all of these metropolitan areas, you see the native population declining, but what is really striking to me is the composition of the foreign-born population across the rust belt. in almost every metropolitan area across the rust belt, the human capital profile of immigrants, the college graduat