but at the same time, these are people's minds who were demented like they were saying, neverland wasm and when you go to neverland, they have a wheelchair ramp going up to rides. he was concerned about bringing the joy to kids who were terminally ill, dying, of all types of diseases. this is a man who lived his life according to god's will. he really cared about people and it's so sad because this world didn't look at that until after he was dead. and he was trying to say this all along while he was alive. >> when you watch if martin bashir interview, clearly, michael did that to try to set the record straight and if anything, made it ten times worse. when you watched that, what did you feel about that interview? >> first of all, martin bashir needs to be slapped. he never should have been around michael. and there again, michael trusted him. why does -- there's a question for us why does people in the media want to say the most horrible things about someone knowing that they have all the right intentions to do good? >> i guess the answer, if i'm putting my media hat back on, 'cause