it has been decades if not centuries of indigenous children in new caledonia who have and suffering thetypes of practices. i think even if you look at illegal transnational adoptions, the french government still has a lot to do. -- adoptees have been trying to get a trial two times last year the judge refused to move forward. there is a recent case of adoptees and adoptive parents who have been trying to go to trial regarding illegal transnational adoptions in ethiopia and we are still waiting to see if the judge will put that case forward. to be able to do something, you need -- around adoptions to be able and willing to do the work. >> in france, people can give birth anonymously. you have been vocal about the rights of adoptees to have access to medical information of their biological parents. currently, lawmakers are debating the anonymity of ivf donors being lifted. how are the issues linked? >> it is interesting to see how the -- to not make the same mistake again. what the situation of adoptees born under -- is that we do need a medical history and we do need a medical hisry thro