but at the center of this, at the center of this, if the people don't build new faories, then the factorieshey're using aren't fully operating. developers don't build new developments when developments they've already built are sitting empty with the lights out. and that's why i do keep coming back to demand. >> charlie: if in fact the president has to capitulate to the republicans on this issue, in order to make sure this government doesot go into default, the casualties will be number one a missed opportunity to deal with the deficit, your point. number two, there will be a t in the level of human services that you and others believe are essential part of the social compact with its citizens, especially those who have earned entitlements. okay? thirdly, what damage to the economy -- >> an alternative -- depending on what hypothetical agreement was reached, this economy needs more support and needs more demand. and unless whatever happens provides for more support and more demand, we are increasing the risk ththis expansion ll further slow. we are with an economy that right now is dangerou