clearly the white house and the president wanted to establish a new floorm, knock reopening of the government with what you consider to be partisan legislative attachments, avoiding default with the same approach. >> uh-huh. >> reporter: has that strategy been vindicated and you believe the shutdown was worth that effort to achieve -- >> the shoutdown was wholly unnecessary. and this was a manufactured crisis. the president's position from the beginning was that congress ought to pass a continuing resolution at existing funding levels. he made no requests associated with that, demanded no concessions in return for signing of legislation that would extend government funding to allow for broader budget negotiations. so -- >> but you did want to push back on the kaye that you could use either one of these deadlines as leverage. >> the president believes its the right position to take and remains the right position to take that especially when it comes to the full faith and credit of the united states that neither he nor any of his successors can allow a dynamic to take root where raising the deb