>> yes. >> ok. >> yes, i believe for new permitees, i believe that would be beneficial. i guess why i hesitated was the -- i think we would really have to be careful and really look at the definition of "new permitees." what is designated, for lack of a better word, credityable experience in the industry. if someone says i was bartender for 10 years, we could say ok, you have enough experience in this business to get this permit. but that really doesn't show they know thousand run a club. >> i'm not saying to get the permit. i'm saying they're entitled to the permits. the permits are by right. but to do some kind of education so that they know, maybe give them a copy -- i don't know. >> i'm all for any education to our permit holders. i think education is a good thing. so absolutely. >> maybe something we can consider for the next summit. thank you. >> commissioner meko. commissioner meko: with regard to commissioner joseph's point, it just occurred to me this might be of good -- a good role for cmac which, you know, is independent of the commission. but certainly doing