he grew up poor as opposed to kennedy who grew up with houses in hyannis port and palm beach and apartment at the carlyle in new york and private schools, ivy league colleges all the way through. so, you know, they just came at it from different angles, and, you know, you can't, you can't know what would have happened in that second kennedy term if kennedy had lived, but my guess is that you wouldn't have seen as big a domestic spending program as we got under johnson just because he had, you know, he had had a first term, and there were just very few signs of it, if any. >> hi, ira. >> hi, kate. >> so my question for you is i'm curious, um, what you think the formative influences were for jfk's conservativism. and i know you mentioned his catholicism which is, obviously, probably a big one. and you also mentioned his, you know, personal wealth and his background. but i'm just is sort of curious whether you think there was sort of real sort of ideological conservativism as opposed to just some of these formative influences, you know, whether you saw evidence of that in his writings or in his, you know, his conv