there is some sort of parallelism of 3.5 years of no rain and 7000 mentioned, and in the new testament, revelation 11, 3.5 years of no rain. i only eight -- only have 47 seconds left. i cannot get into it, but for a lot to to understand these prophecies, this is a reason why i was able 30 days before 9/11 that the trumpet was going to sound on 9/11. jesus is coming back very, very soon. it is kind of liked in -- like in luke, where they told the disciples to shop -- stop shouting. he was obviously emphasizing. the verse in zechariah had to be fulfilled. when god commit himself to do something, he has got to do it. he has said in writing that some day, the lord jesus -- [bell] president chiu: thank you very much. the next speaker. >> bafta name. my name is -- i am a retired teacher from san francisco unified after 32 years. i, too, am concerned about the killings, some of the killings of young people, and especially for canada harding and charles hill. -- kenneth harding. there was in the investigation of the killings. the suspension of civil liberties. number five, there retaliation ag

>> he's a bible scholar, new testament scholar who is founder and leader of a group called jesus seminar. a group of scholars for the last 15 years have been exploring the historical jesus. >> yeah, does he have very much standing in the academic community paula fredriksen interhe represents the school of representation. >> she's also a diplomat. well, funk is saying some pretty vacanting things. and it appears as though he is off the charts, does it not? he's organized a semiannual seminar that you speak of. and his forum debunks the sayings from the cross, the virgin birth, the resurrection, jesus' miracles and he sees jesus as a sort of jewish socrates, almost a lenny bruce character, is that right. >> that's right. >> you find no evidence in any of your scholarship, by the way, that jesus was a revolutionary, correct? interi find counterevidence. >> counterevidence? if yes is it he was not a revolutionary n an insurrectionist. >> not that i can see from the documents. >> was jesus a conservative? >> i don't think so. >> well, in what sense was he unorthodox? >> well, i think that in

bible very well he wanted to talk about the abraham and isaac story and thought that was in the new testament so we didn't get very far but exactly but that we you know and so i was trying to tell them look in a way this is my practice i write about what people believe in what that's a very that's a very full practice i'm not a seeker i think sometimes when you write about religion people soon that you are looking for the answer you know that be like looking for a way to put myself out of work i'm looking for questions and the questions you raise are fascinating tell us about ron luce and battle cry what what do you think animated this guy and how did this organization you write about how you know after . it was about nine eleven it was not. that he. no no it was. the shooting the high school she has a big rally at columbine the columbine shootings yeah that was really yeah and he ended up speaking to like a quarter million kids and poleon the ones that he thought into his i'll use the word cult you don't. into his organization talks about this. well yeah i mean it to me that you know the boo

he said the church should always argue about what all this means, and if all the things in the new testament and the church that would fit in religion christianity is jesus christ as the man for others. his whole life is that, and we're supposed to model it that. so you can carry these to go deeper in your faith, or you can carry it and say let's throw it all out. >> if you were, if you were to identify the single biggest impact of this book on religious thought today, what would you say that it is? i know we'll -- if you want, if any of you would like to ask dr. marty questions, i encourage you to line up ott that microphone in the middle -- at that microphone in the middle aisle while he's answering this question. >> i think there are two main sets of impact. he's still as big as ever. this year there are two monstrous new biographies of him. and little ones. there are tens of thousands of things that have been written about him, so he's as prime as ever. but they sort of run on two tracks. the insiders, the people who have studied him all these years, the people who knew him and so on and

it's two opposing opinions of god's grace and that particular story, maybe it's old testament, new testamentit's a bit new with regard to its -- >> the technologies that they've introduced into this one have brought it forward. >> can you quickly tell us about your character? >> he's a cop. that's how i play him. i play him as a cop. i just want him to be a straight-up cop so it's not easy to make him the bad guy. he's not thevil villain. he's just doing his job. >> and john? >> he's this redemption that you get to see on stage and the rest of his life is devoted to god. >> and people leave uplifted, don't they? >> we hope. >> well, you see from the applauses. let me remained people, it's at the opera house through october 30th. thank you for coming to see us. thank you. >>> it's now 11:28. coming up in the next half hour of news 4 midday, the paramedics that rushed to michael jackson's side the day he died, and hear what the bodyguard had to say right after his death. right after his death. >>> and marion barry and a give just got her flu shot, like a champ -- mom! taking on the master of d

that is great news, a testament to your department, and it is also plainly a testament to the heart and good work of the members of the rank-and-file of the department. they are exceeding the commission's add your call and let the public demands, which is to have a professional police force that treats everybody in this city with respect, saying at a double-digit decline over two years, with the number of complaints for the occ really reflects that work. thank you very much. >> you are welcome. >> commissioners, anything further? >> thank you. director, i was wondering if you or the senior investigator could give the public just a one- minute sort of overview of how an investigation is protected. that kind of information might be informative -- informative to both them and members of the commission. >> thank you, commissioner. briefly, when an individual files the complained with our office, that individual is interviewed. if the individual walks in, the complainant is interviewed immediately. if we receive a letter from an individual or an e-mail, the investigator contacts them and inv

that jesus then sort of enters into with his teachings on divorce in the new testament. >> you brought ever sexual impropriety. this is from the book of mark. "then jesus said to them whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her and if she divorces her husband and marries another she commits adultery." that makes it sound as if you shouldn't be divorcing at all. >> that's right. look has a very similar statement by jesus. mark and luke, those texts seem to indicate jesus is against divorce and particularly about remarriage after divorce and the connection of remarriage to adultery. so it seems to be the concern about the adultery commandment, going back to the ten commandments, that's motivating that. but in matthew jesus makes a famous exception about when one can divorce. it is much more in line with saying in the case of sexual impropriety -- most people think it means something to do with adultery. >> let's get now back to what pat robertson said. people brought up the vows. you take a vow that says until death do us part. he says this is a form of dea

but you feel you're caught in what the new testament calls principalities and powers.d you are not enough by yourself to defeat it. so we can say after september 11, "oh, bin laden, he is the personification of evil." maybe he is, maybe he isn't. but even if you say that, evil is bigger. ( choir chanting ) >> ♪ a mighty fortress is our god... ♪ >> ♪ god bless america land that i love... ♪ >> ♪ oh, beautiful for spacious skies... ♪ >> ♪ his truth is marching on... ♪ >> ( man chanting ) >> ♪ oh, mighty god dear everlasting god... ♪ >> ( middle eastern chanting ) >> ( middle eastern chanting ) >> religion drove those planes into those buildings. and that's upsetting, but that's what happened. and this idea that somehow that's not islam, so we shouldn't worry, is... it's not only naive, it's stupid, it's wrong. there's a very rich tradition which they, you know, delved into to justify what they did. by the way, hating doing it and fighting against it ever happening again is also islam, just like within jewish tradition. the guy who went into the mosque in the city of hebro

i don't believe that it establishes a religion, and it certainly, by the way, uses the old and new testament. i don't think that it prevents the free exercise -- you know, as i say, it's a hot button used logical debate more than anything else. martha: we're going to keep digging on this, it's an interesting debate. tamra, thank you very much, doug, always good to see you both, kind of opening the door a little discussion. we'll see what john cornyn has to say about that. bill we'll see what jenna lee's got cooking on a tuesday morning. jenna: taking a look at the markets, stocks taking a hit. we're going to look at some of the different angles that are affecting this economy, including a town hall usa. post your questions by logging on to foxnews.com/happening now, click on the america's asking button and get us your questions, we're going to pose them to the experts today. >>> senator joe lieberman is here to talk jobs and the new book "the gift of rest", appropriately talking about this after a long labor day weekend and getting back to work, bill. bill: rest? >> [laughter] bill: see you

anyone who believes the new testament has to believe the book of romans as well. and when you get so romans 13. 4 and if you do evil, be afraid. it says for our government is god's minister for you to good, for our government does not bear the sword in vein. an avnger to execute wrath on him who executes evil. those of us who believe in the new testament believes jesus' words for those who love the lord and work a cording to his purpose. i don't know what all good things will come from this act of sheer evil and hatred on 9/11, that much hate that could bring that many people and structure on the heads, on the bodies of innocent men and women. but i do know we should learn lessons. this government, whether you're a christian, a muslim, whether you're the jewish faith, whatever your faith, you have to understand their needs to be a government in order to maintain order in society. because this is not a perfect world and people are not perfect and there will always people bent on no good and people who want to live in peace, have to have governments in order to keep

those talking about the just war theory are referring to language in the old testament and the new testamentevelopment of the idea, how we came to embrace these values, there's absolutely no prohibition on that the aall. -- at all. if the teacher of the just war theory says, well, this only works if you're catholic or this only works if you're episcopalian, that would be prohibited by the first amendment. >> they filed a complaint on behalf of 31 missile launch officers, many of whom were christian who had a problem with this. i want you to listen to the air force spokesperson and get a response. >> in an effort to serve all faiths, we tried to introduce none in our briefings and our lectures and the use of bible passages and other elements was just inappropriate when we became aware of it, we reviewed the course and decided that we could do better. >> became aware of it? it's been going on forever and ever. >> it has. it has. i'm surprised the military has reacted this way. >> p.c., judge. >> it is an extreme version of political correctness. it is nowhere required by the constitution. look

becoming dependent to of course separatism is nothing new to the british isles and the thousands of victims of the troubles in northern ireland are testament to how high feelings can run both in the present day and for centuries past while national sentiment may not be a new phenomenon the reasons for it have changed over the years and in these. current turbulent economic times money talks scotland has gas but while wales was a proud coal producing nation its mines are now closed and it's got some of the highest unemployment levels in the u.k. because of that the older generation is reserved when it comes to independence but young people are filled with national fervor for them independence is less about money and more about nationhood and identity and wales needs to be independent because it is a great country and we do we do and i like an ageing has already patriotic i think more patriotic than england we have a lot of culture there we shouldn't go to seem to be better here at the moment but you can get free prescriptions. education seems to be a bit better plights comrie says it's going to build on that support providing not just emotio