leadership though are established and even the black mayors the democrat here in new york city mayor pro bill de blasio liberal mayor. but they often go back on the same pro status meant troops when something like this happened so over the weekend too there were 2 incidents of police vehicles driving into a crowd of protesters and the blasio he backtracked later but a 1st he dispended the police he said if you're tech research hacking everyone. he made statements in favor of them in the police chase him despite all his genuflecting that's another issue but most of these mayors are pro establishment and they work within the system that the larger system that as we just talked about doesn't work for anybody so they and the do i believe republicans and democrats that also is not always not such a clean dividing line. has gotten in trouble for taking campaign money from anybody from everybody so we see in new york politicians like our mayor bill de blasio who markets themselves as a liberal that was his whole campaign slogan the tale of 2 cities he was going to do better for working people in so forth he m

brian: two pro-police groups suing new york city officials. mayor bill de blasioved and helped paint a black lives matter muller on fifth avenue. declined a request for a similar blue lives matter near the headquarters. here to discuss their case blue lives matter joseph and co-founders of standing up for new york city jason and tatianna. let's start with you. what was process you are now going through that made you feel as though you have to sue to be able to do it? >> good morning, we sent an open letter. we sent somewhat actual obligation process so we can follow it to the t. we have not received any response. did not get a response but whenever the mayor openly came out and said he will not allow anybody to paint anybody on the street without a permit that's when we decided to sue because he admitted there was no permit process for the black lives matter muller. >> you are shaking your head. let me ask you tell what you bill de blasio said i want to paint my thing on the street if you can paint your thing. i think it's a message about human respect and value o