of freedom. a law school to support hong kong as in the scared new world. are going to take the story now to albon chunk he is a research fellow at new york university school of law he's also worked as a barrister and lecturer in hong kong he joins me tonight from new york city it's good to have you on the program let me ask you you've worked as an attorney in hong kong before this new security law what does it mean for a pro-democracy protester who is arrested will they have access to an attorney and legal representation as has been the case well frankly there is still a lot that remains to be disclosed about how this new law and i use the term very loosely will operate we've seen from the cole 55 sussan nebulously defined serious cases may be sense to mainland courts for trial and prosecuted by mainland procuress those and in those instances the ability to access legal representation may be very much in depp's but in any event even for those and put national security cases that are tried in hong kong quotes it remains to be seen just how much access to lawyers will be allowed even under the preexisting will we've seen that arrestees have repeatedly compla

of freedom. alas colson -- to support hong kong nurse in their scared, new world. brent: we take the story to a research fellow at new york university school of law. he has also worked as a barrister and lecturer in hong kong. he joins me tonight from new york city. it's good to have you on the program. you have worked as an attorney in hong kong before this new security law. what does it mean for a pro-democracy protester who is arrested? willll they have access to an attorney andnd legal representation, as has been thee case? >> well, frarankly, there is stl a lot that remains to be disclosed about how this new law, and i use the term very loosely, will operate. we have seen from article 55 that certain nebulous sleep find serious cases may be sent to mainland courts for trial and prosecuted by mainland -- and in those ability -- in those instances the ability to maintain representation may be in doubt. but for quote unquote national security cases that are tried and hong kong courts, it remains to see just how much access to lawyers will be allowed. even under the pre-existing laws, we've seen that arrestees have repeatedly complained that they ar

new york university school of law. will come judge. judge jeremy fogel became the first executive director of the berkeley judicial institute in 2018. prior to his appointment at her glee he served as director of the federal judicial center as a united states district judge for the northern district of california and as a judge for the santa clara county superior court in a simple courts. he received his b.a. from stanford university and his j.d. from harvard law school. judge fogel has received many accolades including the president's award for outstanding service to the california and judiciary from the california judges association and recognition from the santa clara county bar association for exemplifying the highest professionalism in the judiciary. welcome judge fogel. last but not least we have melissa water. she is a policy analyst at the reporters committee for freedom of the press. prior to joining the reporters committee saeb worked as a law fellow for the american constitution society and legal intern to the house democratic caucus in the ohio house of her recent represents her she's a former human rights campaign mccleary fellow and a recipient of the michae