i'd like to thank mary mcdonagh murphy, who joined us from new york via skype, and john -- john is actually a descendant of the first chief justice of the u.s. supreme court. paulette frankl, "lust for justice," tony serra, and sheldon siegal. so before we take a break, i do have a surprise. a few years ago, i guess six or seven years ago, i met an amazing artist. i was visiting his home. and he had created this wonderful sculpture. i immediately recognized it as being clarence. it turned out that he had created a number of just amazing sculptures of trial lawyers. and he went on to do one of clara fults, the first woman attorney in california and became the leader of the public defender movement. and just by happenstance, he called me and had this idea of encapsulating one of the greatest trial attorneys of our times. so, bill? is he here? this is not a magistrate. [laughing] -- not a magic trick. >> i've never met tony serra, so i have to make use of the internet to get a sense of who he was and the imagery. what clearly came over was his passion for justice. and in some cases almost a ra

i spoke with david kirk patrick, the cairo bureau chief for "the new york times," via skype. a lot of conflicting stories out there about mubarak's health. was there a legitimate health scare or was this a approximately by his lawyers to avoid a trial or change public opinion before the trial? >> so far it looks like a ploy. there was a report from his lawyer on sunday afternoon that mubarak was in a coma. he suffered a stroke and the lawyer said his wife, suzanne mubarak called him and he was rushing to the hospital. i, myself, thought it might be serious. i started calling around and most people in egypt were already writing it off, only because just last month, the same lawyer had said that president mubarak had cancer, which turned out to be false. and sure enough, about an hour after the lawyer's initial statement or diagnosis, there was a doctor from the hospital on state television saying nothing of the kind. mubarak suffered from a small dizzy spell and he was doing fine. >> and so it begs the question, why? in the past when he was the president, his health was a clos

so we have here via skype, she's live from new york city. i always wanted to say that. [laughter] >> and mary is the author of a book about "to kill a mockingbird" that a she wrote last year, "scout, atticus and boo," and she's directed and produced a film about "to kill a mockingbird." we're going to watch a clip from that in just a moment. next, we have john j. osborn. if you went to law school, the one book you would have read before going to law school was "the paper chase," and this is a book that john j. osborn wrote. has really become a classic. and it, of course, spawned an oscar-award winning film, same name, and also a television series. he's also written an incredible article about "to kill a mockingbird," so we're going to ask him about that. next we have paulette frankl. and paulette is a courtroom sketch artist. now, how cool is that? that's a pretty cool job, and she spends a lot of time in the courtroom and that's how she came across tony serra. and she spent 17 years, 17 years compiling the incredible book that she's put together that just came out and

joining us now via skype from new york is cnn national security contributor fran townsend.s a member of both the cia and dhs external advisory committees. fran, glad you're here with us to talk about this. this is really pretty frightening. i mean, first of all, i want to ask you who are the sympathizers that might be working on this? >> well, you know, there are a number of what we call password-protected websites where jihadi sympathizers and terrorist sympathizers often communicate. they put propaganda up there, and -- and we think from what we're hearing so far that this comes from al qaeda in the arabian peninsula or an affiliated group in yemen. here's the concern about that. anwar al awlaki, head of the group, an american-born islamic cleric, who is a terrorist and inspired the ft. hood shooter, he's got audio tapes there sold around the world and videotapes, so this is kind of a new low in a continuing activity of his, you know. this is now targeting children. >> yeah, i mean, have they ever targeted children before? have they ever released a cartoon like this, and

our cnn national security contributor fran townsend is joining us via skype from new york to kind ofnd explain it both a member of cia and department of homeland security advisories. we know with all the bigotry, quite frankly, against muslims, if that's the case here in the united states, could a similar attack happen here? >> you know, suzanne, we at the fbi in particular have spent extraordinary resources tracking sort of right-wing extremist groups and they come in all sorts of shapes and sizes. i mean, there are environmental extremists who blow up and burn down developments, we sought shooter at the holocaust museum targeting jewish americans. so timothy mcvark the one terrorist incident that people, large scale that people really remember, the oklahoma city tragedy was also a sort of white anglo-saxon militia member so we have had a history in this country of having these sorts of groups, these sorts of incidents, but the ones that have more recently got the attention is al qaeda or extremist focused. the department of homeland security, given a a lot of grove for investigatin