i'd like to thank mary mcdonagh murphy, who joined us from new york via skype, and john -- john is actually a descendant of the first chief justice of the u.s. supreme court. paulette frankl, "lust for justice," tony serra, and sheldon siegal. so before we take a break, i do have a surprise. a few years ago, i guess six or seven years ago, i met an amazing artist. i was visiting his home. and he had created this wonderful sculpture. i immediately recognized it as being clarence. it turned out that he had created a number of just amazing sculptures of trial lawyers. and he went on to do one of clara fults, the first woman attorney in california and became the leader of the public defender movement. and just by happenstance, he called me and had this idea of encapsulating one of the greatest trial attorneys of our times. so, bill? is he here? this is not a magistrate. [laughing] -- not a magic trick. >> i've never met tony serra, so i have to make use of the internet to get a sense of who he was and the imagery. what clearly came over was his passion for justice. and in some cases almost a ra

age has any business wearing a skimpy swim suit and he's suing new york state for what he says is age discrimination. he joins me via skyperden city, new york. thank you so much for joining us. >> hi. >> we showed pictures of you throughout the hour. you obviously are in fit shape. not only physically but mentally you're alert and you do a great job by all accounts in everything that i've read. what is your issue with the speedo here? is it about, listen, i don't have to wear it to do my job? what is your issue here? >> you know what? at a certain point, and i guess it's around the time you start wearing glasses, you shouldn't be wearing speedos. the older you are, the less skin you should show. and it's just -- speedo is not appropriate for someone my age. >> does the speedo make you a better life guard? why did they explain to you that you would need to wear it? >> none of the explanations ever really made any sense to me. at one point, they said, well, we can't let you wear a certain type of swimsuit because it's too fast. don't you want your lifeguards to be fast? that made no sense to me. then they said, well, you kn

so we have here via skype, she's live from new york city. i always wanted to say that. [laughter] >> and mary is the author of a book about "to kill a mockingbird" that a she wrote last year, "scout, atticus and boo," and she's directed and produced a film about "to kill a mockingbird." we're going to watch a clip from that in just a moment. next, we have john j.

so we have here via skype, she's live from new york city. i always wanted to say that. [laughter] >> and mary is the author of a book about "to kill a mockingbird" that a she wrote last year, "scout, atticus and boo," and she's directed and produced a film about "to kill a mockingbird." we're going to watch a clip from that in just a moment. next, we have john j. osborn. if you went to law school, the one book you would have read before going to law school was "the paper chase," and this is a book that john j. osborn wrote. has really become a classic. and it, of course, spawned an oscar-award winning film, same name, and also a television series. he's also written an incredible article about "to kill a mockingbird," so we're going to ask him about that. next we have paulette frankl. and paulette is a courtroom sketch artist. now, how cool is that? that's a pretty cool job, and she spends a lot of time in the courtroom and that's how she came across tony serra. and she spent 17 years, 17 years compiling the incredible book that she's put together that just came out and

so we have here via skype, she's live from new york city. i always wanted to say that. [laughter] >> and mary is the author of a book about "to kill a mockingbird" that a she wrote last year, "scout, atticus and boo," and she's directed and produced a film about "to kill a mockingbird." we're going to watch a clip from that in just a moment. next, we have john j. osborn. if you went to law school, the one book you would have read before going to law school was "the paper chase," and this is a book that john j. osborn wrote. has really become a classic. and it, of course, spawned an

joining us from via skype from new york is cnn national security contributor fran townsend.e met with gadhafi when you visited libya previously. tell us, what kind of man is he? is he the kind of leader that would voluntary step down? >> absolutely not. i'm met with not only gadhafi but his sons. we've seen some of the sons taken into custody. i think you can expect that gadhafi will fight to the bitter end. he's said he wants to be a martyr. i was speaking with a senior italian officials who's been involved in, and there's no indication that he has any interest in an exit strategy. he likes the south of libya so may have been down there, but i suspect he will be prepared to fight and lose. >> hosni mubarak has been caged, tried in court in egypt. it looks like gadhafi would be boxed in. does he have any incentive to turn himself in? >> he's waited now, he's got no negotiating leverage to use, right? he is facing the international criminal court. he clearly is responsible for the murder of civilians and war crimes. so it's not clear to me where he could go and what he could

. >> joining us via skype from cambridge, england, "new york times" london bureau chief, john burns. being on the show. first of all, what is the latest in terms of your reporting and watching this story unfold in terms of the riots? have they quelled significantly? >> there's at least a temporary lull which is about 48 hours long. it's beginning to look as though this thing has subsided in effect. we're now into a different kind of battle which is a political battle which is shaping up into something of a dispute between the police and the government, with both sides taking ownership of parts of this that they want to take credit for and disowning the parts of it that they don't. we've had this morning one of the country's top police officers saying the decisions -- the crucial decisions were all made by the police, where the cameron government, in the shape of mr. cameron himself and his home secretary who las responsibility for the police saying in effect, when they took over it was about three days into this, that's when things began to improve. it's a scrap. it's not very pleasa

john burns is the london bureau chief for "the new york times" and joins us from cambridge, england, via skypeou for being with us this morning, john. >> thank you. >> so, you heard moammar gadhafi's radio messages. he remains defiant even though tripoli is falling. what do you make of that? >> oh, i think it's absolutely in character with this, to put it politely, quirky man. i think he's been delusional for quite a few years and becomes more delusional as this end game for him develops. >> is there a comparison to saddam hussein? >> well, saddam was a more cold-blooded killer. they're both killers. much more calculating. that's not to say that gadhafi is not a fellow with moxie of his own. there are, of course, situational comparison. both of them vowed to stand with their people and both of them then at the last minute vanished. we don't know whether these radio calls are coming from, but one very dark possibility, i don't want to be an alarmist about this, having stayed for a considerable length of time this summer in the rixos hotel where the journalists are, i think we need to bear in mi