. >> the other thing about the bowling alleys, commissioner newlin, for every permit half -- officer? we could ask someone. >> [inaudible] >> maybe if we could find out that way. moving on, then to the staff and office update. staff attended several meetings in north beach and the fillmore. nicholas attended the north beach meeting. last wednesday, july 20. i attended a meeting july 21. my meeting was regarding outdoor events in the fillmore, hosted by the fillmore and the lower fillmore. there was a discussion about juneteenth that had problems regarding security. the -- it was an interesting discussion. they are eager to learn about how the city would like them to manage those outdoor events. do you want to chime in briefly? the would-be hopeful. >>-- that would be helpful. >> one is his meeting at the station open to the public and the other is the advisory board residents and merchants to meet, there is also a monthly meeting. i hope more captains decide to do that because i thought it was useful. there were -- was a lot of questions about how the city works and how the process wo