newnew york city had the program and they said, holdup, wait a minute. >> to me this is like a beat cop. if you are serving in a particular neighborhood it is good to know that neighborhood. >> there you go. i like cops in the churches and the mosque. >> it was not bratten's program. the fact is i think that the knowledge that the police were in the mosques also had a deterrent effect. i think that benefits the overwhelming majority of muslims in this country who are law abiding. nobody is talking about infringing on freedom of religion here. quite the contrary. i think the loss of the program has had detrimental effects. i fear what happened in orlando is the beginning of a new wave of terrorist attacks. >> do you think it pushes ks team mists to be in need somewhere else? >> i think they will do that themselves. we do still not understand fundamentally how this message is communicated. i think isis has demonstrated a mastery of internet communications that we have not caught up with, but it is more complicated as we can see from what is unfolding in the investigation of orlando. we ar