can just watch conservatives and liberal accuse just watch liberals so we tell the most toxic, newscastefstory we can. it might work great getting the team together but it is pretty bad for the nation is there don't we tell the truth as we know it. i've got my truth and i insist it be your truth. ( laughter ) because if it wasn't-- if i wasn't doing that, how true could it be to me. because inherent in my belief is not just that i'm right. almost more importantly is that you are wrong. ( laughter ). and if i allow for a moment that you could possibly be right, i'm totally wrong. ( laughter ) >> that's right. so if you've seen the movie "the matrix," -- >> stephen: of course, of course. >> "the matrix" is a consensual hallucination, and people have to get together. they create this moral order in which they all live, and they have this absolute certainty, and, yeah, if they let in other people who violate the matrix it will also dissolve around them. >> stephen: are you sailing you know kung fu. >> well, social psychology is pretty powerful, yes. >> stephen: why do you want to-- why as a s