the editor, the former news of the world of course owned by the parent company of this network, newscorp. jim, let me start with you, they had the parliamentary hearings and more alleged evidence with now coming out. >> they had the parliamentary hearings and riots, transforming britain and pumping life back in the story, a big break with the arrest of a fellow james dezboro and los angeles and american reporter busted on this, we don't know whether he was arrest for and came in 2009 and working on stories like jacko-- >> that's a good story (laughter) >> it does make you wonder how journalism is practiced out there. one thing we learned from london, it's more than, it was this whole class of reporters doing it. and the same thing might be true in los angeles and in united states, whatever he's accused of doing back in london. >> judy, the new york times is front page constantly and the guardian-- >> i guess the wall street journal story this week was kind of missed, but concluded that the fbi is saying that there is no hard evidence, that these practices have spread to the united states