had called obama a marxist or racist or bigot or said something extraordinarily hateful that newt gringrich doe every couple of weeks -- that's the problem with american politics these days. it's not based on what you believe or how you govern, it's based on the insults you throw to the other side. >> we're back at that. we're literally -- we just slid back four years. >> how many times -- >> all the stuff we talked about on this show about civility. >> how many times have you heard jon huntsman is a rhino, when, in fact, you look at his record, he's got a couple of things. global warming and he's got one or two others, but i'll guarantee you, 9 out of 10 times, he's rock solid conservative as the utah governor, and yet you have romney and gingrich running around acting like they're conservatives. it's laughable. >> we asked huntsman about this about a week and a half ago, the fact he hasn't pushed out how conservative he is. he's been lumped in with mitt romney as a moderate because his tone is moderate, but his core is not moderate for all of the reasons you let out, guns, gay marriage, i