i hooked them up with the newtown parents.e a force and a major movement and we cannot give up and we cannot wait until incidents happen. we have to keep it in the public forefront every day because in chicago, it seemses like we're losing someone every day or at least people are getting shot. just a couple of weeks ago, we had a 14-year-old girl kill another 14-year-old girl. >> it's unbelievable, goldie. how do you fight that apathy and is that as big an obstacle who want more laws to curb gun violence as the nra? >> you know, i don't know that the apathy is on behalf of the american people. more than 80% of us do support background checks in closing the gun show loophole and more than 80% of us do support banning these high-capacity magazines and military-style assault rifles so they're not in the hands of civilians. so many of us don't want you to own a tank in your bedroom and so we have to come together to push our congress, to pass common-sense laws. you should not be able to purchase -- >> how do you do that? anyone wh

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strong case it is necessary but not sufficient the groundwork needs to be laid but to go back to newtownyou simply do not have organizations hatter in society to take advantage of. by the time of crisis of 63 maybe people were not even aware before but there was so strong organizational core ready to take advantage of this but the labor was primed to take a vintage. then the series oftwwdrwqto thee pushed things forever. then there are also things or crisis you could point to like the affordable care act that you remember as the important piece of information so you would have had a lot of great society legislation he probably needed johnson to be there kennedy would not push those but i think johnson could have done it without the president. precedent. it is a good question. >> two-seat income inequality? >> what would the crisis be? >> but that brings up the progress of legislation something that did spur certain labor but the pure food and drug act was not the result of the journalism but not one thing as erratic as birmingham to force the change but now that i think about it. [laught

so many times as i said in newtown, before newtown when we first saw the news, i described the kid.ithout knowing anything about him. there are some warning signs. but it's going to take an investment. and we're going to have to figure out how to face it. >> you see how hard it is even when the parents know. we do need to do more to support families that need hep. >> that's why it's so hard. when they're on the line. when they can act normally and get past the sheriff's deputy that goes through the standard protocols to determine whether he has the legal right to commit the kid. and the kid passes it. it's really hard. >> it's very tight rope to walk. i want to move to ukraine because the outcome of ukraine's presidential election has apparently done little to end the violence there so far. ukraine's military fought back pro-russian militants trying to take the airport. kiev quickly went on the offensive with anti-terrorism forces launching air strikes on the rebels. civilians ran for cover. at least two civilians are dead. the pro-russian militants say more than 50 rebels were kill

zen as recently as 2012 after the horrendous tragedy of newtown president obama and mike bloomberg who funds the firm daniel works for came out within the same day that four children killed and said we should start banning rifles. when they start talk about banning rifles, banning handguns, that is taking people's guns away. they're not talking about taking criminals guns away because it is already illegal for the criminals to have guns. is already illegal for the felons and drug addicts to have guns. the reason any of us get guns, the good guys is to defend ourselves. not to hurt anyone. we are not homicidal maniacs. we are the good guys so we want to get guns to defend ourselves and when obama, the president of the united states, at the time he is being funded by new york city mayor michael bloomberg. >> i notice you mention michael bloomberg over and over. i think your point about michael bloomberg has been established. >> my point is it changed the dynamic of this debate because there has never been so much money poured into it. michael bloomberg in his last year spent $30 million,

. >> reporter: he's talking about newtown, connecticut, 20 children, six adults gunned down at sandy hook elementary. president obama pushed for tougher gun control laws, expanded background checks. that failed in the senate despite huge public support. >> my kid died because nobody responded to what occurred at sandy hook. those parents lost little kids. it's bad enough that i lost my 20-year-old but i had 20 years with my son. that's all i'll ever have but those people who lost their children at 6 and 7 years old, how do you think they feel? and who is talking to them now? who is doing anything for them now? >> reporter: he says that sandy hook was not enough to spark the national conversation. he's not sure if his son's death will be enough to start it but he says it has to happen. there has to be a real conversation, real action about the state of mental health and the proliferation of guns in america. brianna? >> kyung lah, thank you so much. let's dig deeper on this with cnn law enforcement analyst tom fuentes, a former fbi assistant director and also his daughter survived the

evil talk about this is the birmingham -- newtown. this is the birmingham of gun control movement and this is going to really rally. and, of course, it didn't. you know, why is that? i think in some ways because the other side was pretty well organized and maybe it just, i don't know, it just didn't quite capture people enough. >> i think the institutional basis is not there. you talk about labor for instance. >> i think that is key. it's very hard to underestimate the importance of the labor movement in terms of not just the body but the money. the labor movement basically pay for the march on washington, the uaw, and provided the organizational pact to get speakers, speakers like -- those speakers are and then also provided a lot of money for the organizational, kind of umbrella organizing that was done in washington to picture all these groups are working in tandem. we have that sometimes today but not nearly -- you have been around campaigns sometime. circa there's labor organizing around campaigns that no so much on issues outsid

. >> reporter: the gun business is booming with sales spiking even after newtown. >> an ar, obviously>> reporter: analysts say that's because nose wthose who own gun buying more guns. overall, national surveys, indicate gun ownership is decreasing. young hot shots like gia represent a geographic the industry considers vital to the future of gun sports. she has a fan page and her own industry sponsors. >> stand by. >> her dad, hopes sharp shooting will some day pay off for gia with a college scholarship. >> that's what i'm talking about! >> reporter: or even olympic gold. when she isn't training, her dad says her guns are strictly off-limits. kept locked away. though adolfo believes gia would never disobey him. >> i would bet my life she would never touch a gun she wasn't supposed to. bet my life on it easily, right? >> right. >> when you are ready. shooter ready. >> reporter: critics argue that is a risky bet for most parents. training and trust may not be enough to prevent accidents. kids and guns they say simply don't mix. [ gunfire ] >> kids are impulsive. you can't teach that out

you have situations like we had a couple of days ago or in newtown or aurora. there's one thing in common, young men looking for acceptance. when you stack those things on top of each other that's how you get this problem. >> doris, you're rolling your eyes. >> i don't disagree except that young men are always looking for acceptance. most aren't killing people. there are risk factors. it's important to remember most people with mental illness are never violent. there's a small subset that are. there are some known risk factors. unfortunately being male is one of them. it doesn't have to do with the movies they are watching. it has to do with some other forces that are going on. being male, having been violent before, having a mental illness, having rejected treatment. these are all risk factors that people don't know about and so we're not looking at what s-you know, our eyes aren't open to what we should be keeping an eye out for. >> it's distraction to start saying there's this online twitter thing this weekend talking about i'm a victim these women coming ou

in the wake of this tragedy in islea vista, liza long wrote this, quote, it seems as if after newtownt gave up. we decided that this is the kind of society we're going to live in, a society that has too many guns, and a society that chooses to ignore people with mental illness and their families at great cost. liza long is good enough to join me now. she's the author of "i am adam lanza's mother." you've been on the show a number of times. always, sadly, in the wake of tragedy, but welcome back. >> thank you, brooke. thank you for calling attention to this issue that affects so many families. >> absolutely. and that's why we want to talk about this. i read your most recent blog post in the wake of the shootings over the weekend. you wrote specifically talking about your son. that it usually takes two to three police officers and a tranquilizer to get him into care, liza. can you remind us of you and your son's story? >> sure. so i wrote, i'm adam lanza's mother after the newtown tragedy, which has so many echoes to this current situation. i was frustrated by my inability to get help f

before there was only is roger, adam in newtown, jared in tucson, james holmes in rural colorado and aaron alexis at the washington navy yard and there were many victims. there is also another young man who was in a mental health crisis but was the night extensive care before he killed himself and stabbed his father a virginia state senator. all had untreated or undertreated serious mental illness. all spiraled out of control within a system that lacked the basic mechanism. many parents pleading for help. violence among persons with mental illness is rare and likely to be self-directed. there were 40,000 suicides in this country last year. almost 1 million attempts. the mentally ill are suddenly more likely to be the victims three at robberies and other crimes. the mentally ill are also ten times were likely to be in jail than in the hospital. that's because the seriously mentallmentally ill encounter te law-enforcement after they refused medical care. what makes these painful episodes so compounding is the reality that so many tragedies involving a person with a mental illness are e

before there was elliott rogers there was adam lanza in newtown jared lochner in tucson james holmes in aurora colorado and aaron alexis at the washington navy yard and therefore many victims. there was also another young man in a mental health crisis in extended patient care before he injured his father. all had untreated or undertreated serious mental illness. all spiraled out of control within a system that lacks the basic mechanisms to help. many had parents who were pleading for more help. violence among persons with mental disabilities is far more likely to be self directed. the mentally ill sadly are more like to to be the victims of robberies rapes and other crimes for the mentally ill are times more likely to be in jail then in the hospital. that's because the seriously mental ill and counter law enforcement after they refused medical care. what takes these painful episodes so confident is the reality that so many tragedies involving a person with a mental illness are entirely preventable. for example 34 states elliott rogers family would have been able to ask a court to ord

back to the issue of mental health when guns and knives are involved, and we know the tragedy of newtown and people thought that things would change, and nothing has. when you woke up to the news friday or saturday and heard the information, what did you think here? >> my heart went out to the families and loved ones of those victims, more innocent victims there. are 32,000 every year of gun violence. and we thought after newtown that we would in fact accomplish a comprehensive measure to reduce gun violence and the failure to do so is shameful and disgraceful, and my hope is that we can refocus on the mental health which is part of the comprehensive measure including the background checks that we sought then, and we ought to renew the effort now to achieve. my hope is that those families will find some solace in the days ahead of the support they are receiving around the country, but that this horrific tragedy will highlight again the need for action, and we need to organize, mobilize and 90% of the american people want common sense sensible measures to reduce gun violence and the congr

when the red flags of a person's behavior are well-known in the name of public safety from aurora to newtown to arizona, it's a it's the question when mental illness and violence intertwine. families knew their sons had various problems and tried to get help. we're not suggesting that any one of these terrible crimes could have been prevented with just the right phone call, yet if you know someone who is beginning to present with a serious mental health problem who do you call? what is the best approach? how do you figure that out. what are the rights of the possibly mentally ill person, and what are the rights of their fellow students or coworkers or neighbors to be safe from them. joining us for that conversation with from our dc studio, senior director of state policy atment health america, a network advocating for changes in america'sment health policy. from philadelphia, a social worker and writer for the atlantic and also here in washington, pete early, author of "crazy," a father's search through america's mental health madness. jeff, let me start with you. even though there have been

it's over 16 months since the tragedy in newtown, connecticut, where six adults and 20 children were murdered in cold blood. it's been almost a week since the latest mass tragedy that occurred in california. 19 people were shot and four killed in new orleans last weekend. even before what happened at uc santa barbara over 80 americans were killed by guns last week and all the families who have lost loved ones, families in newtown, santa barbara, and all across america are still waiting for the congress to act. these bills have been used to chip away at the federal government's ability to enforce gun laws and protect the public from gun crime. this is yet another example of the same bad behavior. currently licensed gun dealers in arizona, california, new mexico and texas are required to report to the national tracing center when adaler sells multiple assault rifles to one individual. just as all dealers have reported multiple handgun sales for over 20 years. this requirement is narrowly taylored a-- tailored, applying only to sales of rifles that are semiautomobile, greater than a .22

newtown, connecticut and boston to name but two. first, you have to deal with all those who need medical care. and the families of those who were killed. they're our top priority. obviously if in the aftermath of this shooting, it is uncovered that there is anything that could have been done to prevent this shooting, we'll want to know well, what was that? and at this moment in time, this appears to be a shooter who again, snapped for whatever reason. >> reporter: she went on to say that although the shootings didn't happen on the campus, it's still affected the campus community and the students and she said tonight that the uc system will make sure everyone on uc campuses will feel safe. reporting live at cal linda yee, kpix 5. >> thanks linda. we have continuing coverage on air and on kpix.com. you can also share your comments on our facebook page. >>> well, tonight a stretch of southbound 280 in san francisco remains closed for a retrofitting project that will last through the holiday weekend. this afternoon, crews started pourin

. >> host: you're talking about newtown. >> guest: yes, the birmingham of gun control, and would rally -- of course i didn't. why is that? in some ways because the other side is pretty well organized, and maybe it's just -- i don't know -- just didn't capture people enough. >> host: the institutional basis is not there. >> guest: i think -- >> host: you talk about labor. >> guest: i think that's absolutely key. it's very hard to underestimate the importance of the labor movement in terms of not just the body but the money. the labor movement basically paid nor march on washington. the uaw, and provided the organizational heft to get speakers. walter luther spoke there, and then also provide a lot of the money for the organizational -- the kind of umbrella organizing done in washington to make sure all these groups were working in tandem. that -- we have that sometimes today but not nearly -- you have it around campaigns sometimes -- certainly there's labor organizing around campaigns but not so much on issues outside of ones that are particularly central to labor. >> host: i think they

most notably with newtown, you had the manchin/toomey bill that went down in defeat.been done? >> that bill was support, as we understand, by upwards of 90% of the public. it was probably a product of the filibuster rules in the senate where a bill with majority support nonetheless couldn't become law. you're right, people -- people have kind of mixed views in some ways. they are focused on freedom and they're skeptical of government, the federal government telling them what to do. at the same time, they think that guns could not be in the hands of the wrong kind of people. and that there ought to be commonsense gun laws. to the american public in many ways, gun rights and responsibility and reasonable gun laws really ought to go hand-in-hand. what's kind of new and could make life more complicated is this fundamentalism around the second amendment of people arguing, hey, this is going to prevent us from having any kinds of reasonable gun laws. one thing that's interesting, ever since the supreme court rules on this, dozens and dozens of courts all over the question h

iraq, katrina, newtown, and other tragic shootings. most recently the va deaths in arizona. so democrats, check your outrage and your hypocrisy at the door because no one's buying it. okay. democratic congressman elliot engel, and republican morgan griffith are with us tonight. congressman engel, explain the hypocrisy. are you willing to call a truce now on fund-raisings on national tragedies? because you guys do it just as much as republicans do. >> you know to do what the hypocrisy is? all the things you mentioned that were national tragedies, we didn't have hearings in congress to exploit them. >> we've been having hearings to get to the bottom of then so they don't happen again. believe me, believe me george bush was investigated, fema was investigated, the department of defense. i mean -- >> how about going into iraq on false pretense? how about 4,000 americans being killed? republicans didn't choose to investigate that, but benghazi? we're going to soften up hillary clinton. we're going to play gotcha on all these things. >> so, then, look, let me be honest. i actually

it was to ban new sales of the so-called assault rifles because an assault rifle had and used in newtown. if you look at the mass shootings we have had in our country in recent years the common thread among them is not assault rifles so much as mental illness. it it wasn't diagnosed and treated and i think we have a dismal mental health system treatment system in the united states. we basic dismantled it because of the excesses and abuses of mental hospitals in the 60s. we didn't replace it with anything and that improving diagnosis and treatment of mental illness would do more to reduce mass shootings i think that any gun control measure would. >> the problem of mass shootings certainly is a very distinct one and i think indisputably is linked to mental health issues and does not lend itself to being addressed by a society wide issue about the sale of guns demonstrated in the most direct way in almost all of these mass shooters are able to obtain the weapons they use legally and so further enforcement of those laws wouldn't stop those issues. we have been talking for about 30 minutes no

the kid in newtown, connecticut was nuts and the kids at the movie theater was nuts, nuts and more nutss not access to guns here. it is an access to mental health. >> let me say one thing and play devil's advocate if i could. we have all seen the seth rogen movie and at the end wanted to leave, but you can't do it. this is what happens when you delete the bully from the society. when you get rid of the bully who puts the nerdy dude who thinks he will get the girl in the movie and you learn life lessons. the bully is getting taken out of society. >> that's what the left wants. they want guys to be wus sigh es. we have zero tolerance in school. if a young boy chews a pop tart into the form of a gun he is out. >> did you say woosies? >> it is the woosification of the male. >> why is it always puerto ricans with you? >> i didn't maict -- make the connection. the people on the loft -- on the left who don't want shootings? >> yes, they don't want shootings. >> he was basically accusing him of writing the piece to sell ads. >> she was self-indulgent. she was doing it for her own career and per

. >> the newtown masacre, he stole guns from his mother. unless you are taking away someone's freedom and have them committed which is a big step. >> when there is a will there is a way unfortunately. >> including guns and knives which people don't talk about as much as they should. >> that's a good point. this guy in particular used knives. >> used knives to kill people and tried to kill with his car. >> i'm assuming the judge would then -- if the judge ruled that yes this person could be -- could pose a danger to other people he or she would temporarily take away that person's firearms and make it so they can't buy them. i assume the way it would work is you would have to get treatment or whatever and go back before a judge and get a doctor's note. >> i think a better solution is to find a way to link mental health professionals to law enforcement. there seems to be a break down in communications. if someone goes to a therapy session and is showing a characteristic that they are a danger to themselves or someone else there has to be a way

this isn't newtown. and then hollywood.his kid -- this kid wasn't warped watching judd apatow comedies. this boy if you go on and see his video, this boy had never -- i mean, he says he's on the asperger's scale. big surprise. this is a young man who was isolated by his middle challenges. he had never -- not only had never been with a woman and had sex with a woman, he never kissed a woman. he'd never touched a woman. he lived in his isolated, insulate -- >> i think you're backing up the point of what you just said? >> no, i'm not backing up the point at all. this is a mental hilt issue. >> correct. >> just like all of these issues, 99 out of 100 are mental health issues. it's not guns in this case. >> it'sen image, though, joe. >> boy said in this tape. i know it's a disturbing tape. i don't know how many people saw the tape. but the voice said in this tape, i just want to be with somebody. he was warped. a girl that didn't even know him when he was 10 years old. you know, he was obsessing over here. it's like blaming jodi

. >> he's talking about newtown, connecticut. 20 children, six adults, gunned down at sandy hook elementary. >> my kid died because nobody responded to sandyhook. it's bad enough that i lost my 20-year-old, but i had 20 years with my son. that's all i'll ever have. but those people lost their children at 6 and 7 years old. how do you think they feel? and who's doing anything for them now? >> cnn, california. >> cnn, california. well, could help them save on boat insurance too. hey! okay...i'm ready to come in now. hello? i'm trying my best. seriously, i'm...i'm serious. request to come ashore. geico. saving people money on more than just car insurance. >>> welcome back. >> i'm just going to make a comparison. it's like celebrating a satanic mass. you are supposed to bring these kids to sanctity and you bring them a problem that will last all of their life. >> the pope made those comments at the end of his three-day trip to the middle east. the presidents have accepted his invitation to the vat can to pray with them for peace. >> everyone there is praying for a miracle to find three people m

you would think after something as serious as newtown, we would not need anything to get motivated. we are taking steps to deal with the mental health issues but obviously we've made little progress and it shows in these tragedies. >> and it is after each one, baby steps are not enough, are they? >> no, they are not. you have the impression of the fabric of the country being torn a bit each time there's a tragedy like this. and we have a responsibility to try to mend that and reduce access by people who are very sick. >> congressman adam schiff, thank you for coming by and talking to us about these big stories. what you all are seeing on the right hand side of the screen is the president is shaking the hand of everyone at bagram air force base before he gets on air force one and returns to washington. i am going to toss it to atlanta where fredricka whitfield will pick this up. i think the president is going to be there a while. >> i think so. i love that he said i'm going to take the time to shake everyone's hand but i may not have the time to do a sell fefi with everyone. there ar

after newtown, about gun violence now he's completely changed his tune and as i just said, he's talking about the president wanting gun grabbing initiatives. what do you say to him? >> what's so threatening about doing research? we research everything, as researchers can point out. alone are we with gun safety research in that they are initiatives to prohibit. i would say no area should be so wall off that we can't research and find cures and solutions. i thought after sandy hook that there would be a lot of pro-gun safety, that the background checks would pass. but research, we need it in order to build a case. and the amount of gun violence in our world is staggering. 33,000 people a year die from gun violence. 32,000 people a year, 91,000 children under the able of 12 were killed by gun violence. why not? way to see if background checks work if safety locks work. >> policy isn't set without research to back it up. >> you need data to progress, and without the data you are stopping the progress. we have a bill in to the center for disease control for gun research. >> senator, i know y

. >> we thought after newtown -- >> doing background checks of people on the internet. why, in your view, is congress unable to do that? >> it's crazy. people talk about background checks and they say it's a contentious issue. i think it is every but in washington dc. badgering is becoming extreme soldiers for this rhetoric. it's just not true, and it's putting our public safety at risk here. that's what americans for responsible solutions, the foundation founded by gabby and mark, are trying to do. they want to bring a moderate discussion to this issue. >> i would like to know what part of their time is spent training and gun lobbying. >> they do. >> people for extreme gun ownership anywhere, taking their gun everywhere. they say this has to be a gun issue. it has to be a mental health intervention. i want to read you part of an article about all of the times they tried to stop him. friday was not the first time the mother tried to prevent her 22-year-old son from hurting other people. in april, li called rodgers therapist after seeing youtube videos. he saw a therapis

look at the conditions last year after newtown.cted with a majority at the peak of his popularity. democrats controlling the senate, and the public supporting the legislation you just mentioned, kate, manchin-toomey, 60% to 70% and won a majority, 54 votes in the senate and still did not become law. so as the debate moves a little from gun control to mental health, folks down here are a little more optimistic about something passing. >> that's the key. the gun debate has become tox phied. you're not going to get move money on the it and you don't need to. there noz gun law every requested that would have stopped this kid from buying guns. fuentes, you know it and ryan, you know it. it really becomes, let's focus on the area of fix. let's deal with the mental health environment. anybody who listens to mr. martinez, that could be your kid. we saw it in newtown. we keep seeing it again and again. we made the changes for terrorists, tom. how is this not analogous to the different breath given law enforcement when terrorist allegations

when you look at the way this white house and some of the states have dealt with the issue after newtown, instead of going after the very difficult problems of mental health in this country, they focused as a scapegoat, the gun issue. i'm afraid that when you deal with the american people as some broad political pinata, they're going to be consequences and we'll all be aware of those consequences come this november. >> richard feldman, an independent gun owners of america, thank you so much, richard. appreciate it. i want to bring in michael. author of the second amendment biography. i want you to respond to what richard was saying. this is an issue of trust. you have a book about the second amendment and the argument made by richard is founders trusted individual citizens to have the gun as a protection against tyranny and just to do what they want. they want to stroll down the street with their guns, open carry, go into chipotle with your semiautomatic, that's cool. that's blessed by thomas jefferson. is that true? >> it isn't really true. when you look at the history of the second ame

after newtown, congressman pinkston was vocal about the fact that he felt more research needed to be done about gun violence, he's changed his tune, and he's talking about the president wanting gun grabbing initiatives. what do you say to him? >> what is threatening about doing research. we research everything. as researchers point out. alone with gun safety research, there are initiatives to prohibit. i would say no area should be so walled off that we can't research and find cures and solutions. i thought after sandy hook that there would be a lot of progun safety, ta the background checks would pass. research, we need it in order to build a case, and the amount of gun violence in the world is staggering. 33,000 people a year die from gun violence. 32 people a day die from gun violence, and 19 in 2012 - 91 children under the age of 12 were killed with gun violence. why not research ways to prevent it and see if background checks work and safety locks work. >> public policy is not set without research. >> you need data to pass anything. by stopping the data they stop progress in con

in this instance, and like newtown, there is a lot of talk about it.though mental illness is extremely common, 6% have a serious mental illness. in many cases these are not people who will commit violent acts, is that something that can be usefully used in evaluating these threats? >> you're right. mental health issues are taken into consideration when doing a threat assessment. they're not the end all to be all. my concern is after one of these shootings, many people begin to focus on the mental illness. they start trying to diagnose these shooters. in this case, this was an injustice collector and someone that hated every type of individual. that's not associated with a mental illness. so we have to be able to get beyond that and take a look at other behaviors he was exhibiting prior to the event. >> i could not agree more that most people who commit these mass violent acts are not diagnosably mentally i'll. they're lonely, angry, disenfranchised men that make an even act. it's difficult to spot them. i know the gun lobby is disturbed by the fact tha

then as recently as 2012 after the horrendous tragedy in newtown, president obama and mike bloomberg who funds the bloomberg school which daniel works for came out within that same day those poor children were killed and said we should start banning rifles. so when they start talking about banning rifles, banning handguns, that's taking people's guns away. now, they're not talking about taking the criminals' guns away because it's already illegal for the criminals to have guns. it's already illegal for the felons and the drug addicts and the bad guys to have guns. the reason that any of us get guns, the good guys, is to defend ourselves. it's not to hurt anyone. we're not homicidal maniacs, we're the good guys. so we want to get guns to defend ourselves, and when obama, the president of the united states, and at the time -- but now he's being funded by new york city mayor michael bloomberg who's poured -- >> i notice you mention michael bloomberg over and over again, i think your point has been established. >> but my point about bloomberg is not that -- it changed the dynamic of this

months after that, 26 dead including 20 children, a mass murder at sandy hook elementary school up in newtown, connecticut. it does seem iconically, that we're the country where people have these rampage shootings. can you explain the rampage? the availability of guns is part of it. but this crime -- if you read this guy's manifesto, you can't like the guy in any way. his sense of entitlement, that somehow he's entitled to all these beautiful women, that somehow he has a right to personally own the rights of all these women is delusional. where did he get that delusion? where'd he get it? >> yeah, it is delusional. and part of this, chris, there is a segment. realize only four percent of the people who commit violence in the united states have a diaognosable mental health condition. not with standing that, there was a lot of people out there that are caught up between fantasy and reality. many times the possession of weapons, violent movie, violent videos, songs that advocate violence against police officers and women, a number of these things could form the psychological bridge between someb

not be some sort of third category in we know that there were all of these warnings signs of the newtowniller, of the aurora killer, of the virginia tech killer. should there not be some sort of middle ground where these people are not able to have such easy, quick access to weapons, whether it's knives or guns? >> well, one of the things that is supposed to happen in a situation like this, the records are supposed to get into the national background check list and very often they don't get there. a second thing is, with regard to the person's access to weapons, any therapist should still be asking the parents, does your son or daughter have access to weapons? even if it's not to that level yet. there's an important part of responsibility. police are doing more in terms of asking and quering about those issues as well. after all, if we're not getting the treatment to people, if we continue to have federal barriers that just medicaid says we're not paying for hospital balls, the law says we're not going to and ten times more likely, with a serious amount of illness, ten times more likely

they pointed to other fund-raising events like gun control action after newtown. and not going to make them look bad, and he said, i am not going to answer that to make the fund-raising going forward looks bad. >> thank you, luke. we will carry the remarks from the minority leader pelosi e when they began. >> also, the fallout over the veterans a affairs scandal growing with the veterans getting a chance to speak out in a few hours when senator john mccain holds a town hall in phoenix. v.a. secretary eric shin seki i going to testify after it is accused that dozens of vets died while waiting for critical care. shinseki and other va officials are to turn over documents about who destroyed a secret waiting list at the v.a. hospital. several doctors say that it was created in order to falsely show shorter waiting times for the medical care, and in fact, one woman whose father-in-law died while awaiting treatments said that like so many others, she wants answers. >> all of the people who are a part of this, they should be held accountable, because it is a crime. you k

nothing in the obama plan would have prevented tragedies like newtown and i approve this message because new york or washington tells me what to do. >> now president obama made his first ever presidential visit to the state at pryor's behest. joining me now, dana bash. this is technically an official visit new york campaigning but pictures, take a look, of them standing side by side, pryor beside the president, are they going to help or hurt the arkansas incumbent? this is a state where the president lost by 20 points in 2008, 24 points in 2012. >> huge red state. looking at those pictures, watching it happen live and i was thinking, tom cotton, republican challenger, he pays good money for the pictures and mark pryor gave them to him for free. just trying to hard to link the two together in his very first ad he put them up together saying that mark pryor is all about obama and votes with obama 95% of the time and mark pryor inviting the president to the state. this is a very different kind of issue. the president went down there to deal with tornado relief and disaster relief and what m

we had a lot of the parents from newtown coming out on the morning talk shows and whatnot . and they were. by and large well composed thoughtful articulate. sometimes emotional but constrained and then richard martinez comes out and. the sun you know and he's just he's just blowing the emotion out of christopher martinez says. you know richard martinez was the father and christopher was a son and and. it seems to me like this was this was what was needed in america that that was what. you know after newtown we had the thoughtful parents we had the thoughtful president we had a respectable debate in congress and we're talking about killing people with guns and insane rates. that no other country on earth is experiencing and all because the lobby organization for the for the arms for a readily wealthy arms industry is shoving this stuff down our throats and my you think i'm on to something i think you know how you feel it's like the majority of americans feel how something as simple as a background check for example could make it out of the u.s. senate is an outrage and i thin

then you missed signs in the newtown shooter adam lanza.count confront him after finding ghastly images in his room two weeks before. now whether the guy use as gun or use as knife or use oscar, to me it's irrelevant. the mental illness is missed and miss ad lot. right or wrong? >> so painful. case after case of these young men who are depressed, who isolate themselves socially, who throughout their young adult life span, throughout their teenager life span we hear stories of warning signs and yet what kind of help are they really getting? it's quite frightening because many of us run into young boys who we think, something is really off about them. so we ask ourselves what do we do about that? what do we do as a society? the medical profession, therapist, education system what can we aldo. >> it's a tough legal question because you can't force somebody take medicine. very hard for somebody to go a mental institution. >> there are laws in every state that allow the police to have someone hospitalized for a brief period of time to be evaluat

>> reporter: learned nothing from newtown, he says. 20 children and six adults shot and killed at sandy hook elementary in connecticut. president obama pushed for tougher federal gun control laws, expanded background checks. but that failed in the senate despite overwhelming public support. >> i think the vast majority of people in this country favor some type of reasonable gun control. but every time somebody mentions gun control, they get this strong reaction from a small vocal minority and the politicians cave. every time. >> reporter: he says it will probably happen again this time, but this father wants washington to hear this. >> where is the leadership? where -- in the frigging politicians that will stand up and say we need to do this. we're going to do something. those gutless bastards have done nothing, and my son died because of it. it's outrageous, absolutely outrageous. >> reporter: and it's not just gun rights that mr. martinez is talking about. he says this is as much about mental health and the lack of this country's ability to take care of those who need help. erin? >> k

think that congress will actually do something to ameliorate the problem and thinking of shooting of newtown and nothing happened. the possibility is that something with this from congress won't happen. but congress isn't the issue here. it is the v.a. and having a secretary who is going to get in there and fix it. remember, this scandal is not something that just popped up on secretary shinseki's watch. this is something that everybody has known about for years and this predates president obama and predates if you read mother jones, david korn going back to george w. bush and one that needs to be fixed. >> and one that was foreshadowed by general shinseki when they talked about going to war according to congressman sa sanders, and so it is a complicated issue. and jonathan, by the way, we should let you know that mr. capehart is going to be fill ing in for joy reid today on the "the reid report." >> and coming up, everybody is talking about edward snowden and everybody has an opinion. he is going to take center stage in this week's "reputation report" coming up. clinically proven as effecti