kathleen mcfarland: nexen never wavered then. winston lord: he was willing to risk the moscow summit. in his mind, he was not missing it that much. kathleen mcfarland: if you will go back and say, was in nixon -- was it nixon -- >> it's hard to distinguish the two. on china wen kissinger went to china on the secret trip, he took with -- when kissinger went to china on a secret trip, he took me with him. when henry asked you to do something, you do it. and so i went. the interesting thing about it to me was that at a certain point we began talking about vietnam and he mentioned a couple of key points. afterwards, kissinger asked me, is there anything in his key points which deviates in the substantive -- in a substantial way from what the vietnamese are saying? i said no. to me that meant we could not count on the chinese to pull our irons out of the fire. i think that was the key point. >> joe and i had to send his transcript to hanoi. i do think, and it was shown they were not going to pull our irons out of the fire. they could

we were photographed under the arch where president nexen met -- president nixon met. he emphasized to me at the same time the current government at that time, there was a 10 year hiatus when there was a lot of reform. there was 10 years where there wasn't a lot done. now xi jinping has inherited an economy where they have waited almost too long. he is working to get some very difficult reforms done. even though he has consolidated a great deal of power he still doesn't have the consensus he needs to get some of the most difficult things done. charlie: the big issue you point to which can be critical to the future, cyber security. how do we find a way out of that? mr. paulson: that's a top issue. cyber security, people inflated to include all kinds of things. there's the espionage, which governments engage in. we do it, the chinese do it. there happens to be some people use it refer to the internet in curbing the access to information. i talk about in the context of cyber theft of corporate secrets. i think this is very disturbing. i know very few u.s. companies that h

it had nothing to do with nexen. it was no embarrassment to nexen, but he got hammered for opposing the leak of the papers. as if he was trying to cover things up. he thought it was important. he and kissinger were particularly upset. in june 1971 was one month before we were going to china secretly. we were in the vietnamese. they were doing this on behalf of their successors, trying to keep relevant secrets. the timing was atrocious. professor smyser: are you going to talk about china? kt: in the fall of 1971, you think things are going well, but you detected the vietnamese are gearing up for another offensive. and then 1972 was the big break. the momentous year. president and went to china moscow the water break -- the watergate break-in occurred, and a landslide reelection of richard nixon. winston: we have to circle back to the spring of 1971 when in the north vietnamese unleashed a major offensive -- in the spring of 1972, excuse me. kt: they were gearing up at the end of 1971. let's go to 1972. january, neck s

here is one under president nexen. all of these folks have been prosecuted for leaking information under the obama administration. caller: -- [indiscernible] to convince him to get rid of the campaign laws that have been passed. he has taken his life in his own hands trying to deliver -- to the people of the united states. host: new york, what is your view of eric holder? caller: i improve of eric holder. one thing that threw me is about domestic terrorism. a scene that took place in nevada. these terrorists had federal officials stand down. has he started any kind of investigation against that group? host: i have not thought about that in a wild. -- in a while. bob, what is your view? caller: i was disappointed he has not used his position to tell the people in this country, the crime rate that involves black people is way above the rest of the population. in richmond, virginia, there is not a night go by that there is not murders and robberies. 99% of them are black folks. they deserve to go to jail for being crimina

it should be called nexen -- nixoncare.e would approve it if all the profiteers were in place which are in place now. are there any congressman or senator's or any bills being proposed that would take the affordable care act into the 21st century and make this a nonprofit system? guest: that is a good question. democrats have hit republicans over why they cannot come up with some sort of obamacare replacement. republicans have said we hate obamacare and we want to repeal it but at the same time, they have not come up with a comprehensive package of health care legislation that could be used instead of obamacare. especially at the supreme court, rules against the obama administration. democrats constantly attack republicans for this. republicans may want to focus on that especially in this budget process, and maybe if they do use the reconciliation process to repeal obamacare or try to they might try to infuse some language some sort of alternative bill that would be used to replace obamacare. host: the supreme court has to

i think with barack obama what we solv was, he was reading "nexen land" by reprocessing, a left-wingccount of modern history. since we know he did not really study history, it is sort of constructive that that was the book he was reading about to learn about the 1960's. and then he was reading of the book "the post-american world" when he was coming up air force one. he read a lot of left-wing literature in the white house and i think that is an instructive thing to look at when you look at his career. paul ryan, when he ran for vice president, was great to the polls and press because of his up session with iran. allegedly. i think it is it is important -- because of his obsession with ayn rand. i think it is important to see what they are reading. why would i vote for someone who reads "battlefield earth?" host: line for independents, sadie, you are on. caller: hi, i just wanted to stick more about ted cruz -- to speak more about ted cruz. i don't know if he is a united states citizen or not, i don't think he quite knows. something about how he is just going to renounce his canadian