charles: and to your point, the nfib survey the day after president trump was elected rocketed higherit set a record that november. so there was a big sigh of relief, heather, from the business community. so where do we go from here? again, like i told steve, we know there there aren't going to be the same high-level paying jobs in the so-called renewable space where maybe you could be a bus driver driving a natural gas bus and you'll check the box, but it's not the same as news amazing quality jobs that could go away. >> absolutely. and you know what's even further devastating to small business, it's that minimum wage hike buried within the covid relief bill. on the one hand, you're providing government tens of billions of dollars in assistance to small businesses, and on the other hand, you're making it un affordable for them to cover their payroll. over 25% of employees make less than $15 an hour, and while it sounds like a great idea to increase minimum wage, we want people to make more money across the board, it's a high bar to set because $15 an hour in new york, for example, is