a political one, where our leaders are of course under enormous pressure to show results, and ,nfortunately, in that effort we repeatedly underestimate them, and we repeatedly see them as smaller than they are. >> we tell ourselves the story we want to hear that the >> that's right. >> as opposed to the reality in front of us. >> icy two other things there. i see that commitment to the fight. they are planning for the long importantthat is very to them, and the religious justification for what they are doing, they do try to put themselves as the vanguard, not just the fighting vanguard, but they are the true believers. they are very concerned about killing muslims unnecessarily, for instance. this was part of the schism between islamic state and al qaeda. zarqawi was definitely there guy -- their guy. but they are very clear that they won't to project themselves fighters,ighteous religious fighters. it's not just a war against the west, but it's a religious war that they are putting forward, and that is something i think that is appealing to the segment of the muslim world that is willing t