people talk about publicly you don't speak about sexual misbehavior in the society of let's say nguyen mar or easy south africa you don't do that either film or church is part of those societies and this is a process as we have seen in the us in ireland in u.k. in germany that goes step by step together with the society at large and is so can years and years and years to get even to the stage where people who abuse children are sick and depraved that their actions are covered up by church men who lie either to hold on to their job so in the mistaken belief that they are protecting the church what's so hard to understand about those i feel hard to understand and they are dismissed from the priest or peter isley or the busa victim who heads the group and in clergy abuse complaint in february about you and your colleagues he said they're saying they're all these bishops who don't understand sexual abuse how do you get to be a bishop if you have to be given an education about the rape of a child good question isn't it absolutely and i guess i am that peter just on the eve of the meeting of the