under your leadership niaid allowed disgrace characters like dr. peter does it to use millions in taxpayer dollars to conduct risky gain of function experiments in wuhan china. the actions of eco-health and doctor dynastic call into question the integrity of niaid policies and procedures as a whole as well as your role, dr. fauci, as the director. you did cite off on his research grant. we need to know why doctor david other two decades assisted dr. daszak and avoiding oversight and scrutiny and said that you were involved. your senior advisor and seemingly your chief of staff repeatedly attempted to evade transparency laws to shield information from public scrutiny. we have senior officials from the office in their own writing discussing breaking federal law deleting official record and sharing private government information with grant recipients. the office you directed and those serving under your leadership chose to flout the law, and bragged about it. why did you allow your office to be unaccountable to the american people? you with a highest-

>> grants that are submitted to the niaid go -- >> does it concern you. i'm not talking about the process. does it concern you that u.s. taxpayer dollars would be going to someone who is a high ranking chinese pla official, yes or no? >> i would have to know more about that. i don't even know the person you are talking about. >> were aware that the u.s. state department in 2005 issued warnings the chinese government was working on the creation of bioweapons? >> i was not aware of that. >> did you ever discuss the chinese bioweapons program with anyone in the intelligence community? >> i have never discussed the chinese bioweapons program to my knowledge with anybody. >> before, during or after the covid-19 pandemic, did you speak to the f.b.i., c.i.a., d.i.a. or any u.s. intelligence agency concerning viral research of any kind? >> what time frame are you talking about, sir? >> i said before, during, or after covid-19 pandemic, did you speak to the f.b.i., c.i.a., d.i.a. , or any u.s. intelligence agency concerning viral research of any kind? >> i can't g

under your leadership niaid allowed disgrace characters like dr.n experiments in wuhan, china. the actions of eco-health and doctor dynastic call into question thef niaid policies and procedures as a whole as well as your role, dr. fauci, as the director. you did cite off on his research grant. we need to know why doctor david aboard your direct report from other two decades assisted dr. daszak and avoiding oversight and scrutiny and said that you were involved. your senior advisor and seemingly your chief of staff repeatedly attempted to evade transparency laws to shield information from public scrutiny. we have senior officials from the office in their own writing discussing breaking federalial d sharing private government information with grant recipients. the office you directed and those serving under your leadership chose to flout the law, and bragged about it. why did you allow your office to be unaccountable to the american people? you with a highest-paid person in the government. this makes you more accountable to the people, , not less. d

furthermore, his office is located in a different that of the niaid director.finally, in a majority staff memorandum of may 22, 2024, there was a statement quote dr. fauci myth conducted official business by a personal e-mail unquote let me state for the record that to the best of never conducted official business using my personal e-mail. thank you for listening. i would be happy to address any other issues in the discussion period. >> thank you. i now recognize myself as much time as a may consume for questions with equal time being forwarded to the ranking membe dr. fauci, february 1, 202100 call with dr. bera, dr. collins and others regarding potential to covid-19 with engineered. was cdc director raphael arbuckle. >> was brokers no, he was not >> dr. fauci yet said you had to rely on virologists and evolutionary biologists regarding or just because you are not an expert. this dr. redfield virologist? >> i believe he is. >> he is. >> prior to the pandemic niaid awarded at least three grants via the new york blood center to a doctor. are you already. >> fun

do you agree it violates niaid policy to use personal email for official purposes? >> the dr. morens issue that was discussed by this committee violates nih policy, yes. >> does using official email -- using a personal email for official business violate? >> using a personal email for official business violates policy. >> does it violate niaid policy to delete records to avoid foia? >> yes. >> dr. morens edited an eco health press release regarding the grant termination. does that violate policy? it was inappropriate for him to go doing that for a grantee as a conflict of interest, among other things. >> on march 29, 2021, dr. morens edited a letter that dr. das yak was sending to nih. does that violate policy? >> yes. >> he provided him with advice regarding how to mislead nih on eco health's late progress report. does that violate policy? >> it was wrong and inappropriate and violated policy. >> on december 7th, 2021, dr. morens wrote to the chair of eco health's board of directors to quote put in a word, end quote, for the doctor. does that violate policy? >> should not hav

he has no say no remorse about the actions taken by people that work for him, in niaid, as dr. morens, dr. dandric.k. disgraced through process the grant process that he signed he says he has no accountability for cause the committee decides that he just signs it let me tell you something maria as doctor when i sign a prescription, i am responsible for what is a in that prescription there is no accountability to this man at least he claims there is none we got to change that. maria: no kfkt whatsoever appears on another universe doesn't man and a woman any times he said a conspirators we've got it on tape he tries to make us believe that he believed it was natural when in fact he is in emails talking about likelihood of the lab leak, so he -- -- knows that we were funding gain-of-function research, has he being paid by the vaen makers as pushing the vaccine on all of us? >> well that is the yet to be determined he there certainly with are royalties you brought up another thing as he testified yesterday said oh i always considered lab leak a possibility. no, you did not. maria:

other actors without the decision you are some out solely responsible for including in your role as niaiddirector come is that correct? [inaudible] >> these decisions were made at the state and local level into marriages across the country like my home state of hawaii which was particularly aggressive and part of the response to the top administrations early failure to contain the initial outbreak of the virus. is that not correct? >> i'm sorry, i did not dash if i'm not really hearing you very well. could you put speeded we'll put a little bit closer but it clear that the decisions were made at the state and local levels into marriages across the country. >> that is correct. >> okay, thank you. i would like to shift topics and turn to the allegations he sought to oppress you points about the pandemic response. over the past 15 months majority members of the subcommittee had levied the allegation that federal health officials censored proposals like the great declaration which are inconsistent with the overwhelming consensus of the scientific and medical community. much attention has been

fauci continues to deny to this day at the nih, and his agency, the niaid, ever funded gain-of-function research at the wuhan institute of virology. let's hear what lawrence quebec told congress back in january. >> did nih funded gain-of-function research at the wuhan institute of virology through eco health? >> yes, we did. it goes on in many labs around the country. it is not regulated. the reason it's not regulated, it poses no threat or harm to anybody. >> john: i'm sorry, that was may 16th. but he did say, yes, we did. we did fund gain-of-function research in wuhan. tony fauci has been very careful to say we did not fund gain-of-function research on this virus. but could you still make a connection? >> of course. they are using synthetic biology to alter features of the natural backbone of a sars coronavirus of undetermined origin. we don't know what the predecessor was to covid-19 that they used the synthetic biology to adapt it to make it more of virulent. but it was funded by eco-health alliance in new york, whose president is soon to be disbarred from federal government contrac

in effort on the nia or niaid side and the compliance was not held when it came to the rules of the grantdr. daszak. when i sign a prescription, bill, that prescription is on me and i'm responsible for it. apparently not dr. fauci. >> bill: he seemed to downplay the lab leak speaking. do you agree with that, yes or no? >> what's interesting is what he says now is that yeah, that could have happened. but you go back in time, here they were in their internal documents that we were able to get ahold of saying it looks engineer, likely came from the lab and he goes on the white house lawn and says it came from nature. so he never addressed the possibility of it coming from the labor created in the lab. he only went with nature. now he says oh, i was always open to it. well, he wasn't. he called it conspiracy theory and we brought that out on many occasions yesterday. >> that's an important distinction. you think about the early days of covid especially all the media running to fauci to get his view on this. question for you, did he screw this up? >> i would say in many ways that part of the p

marrazzo, tell me about the niaid's tracking of thespread of mutations in the virus and the work youre doing dr. marrazzo: thank you for that question, chair baldwin. this is an incredibly important topic and i do want to acknowledge the great workha have done. in fact, they have been part of one of tett has been on our radar for a long time. because when it does get into human hosts, we have seen mortality of about 50%. so this is something we really do notat we've been doing for more than 10 years is funding a group of investigators called the centers for excellence in influenza research and response, and whhevirus in wildlife, including migratory birds, which has been a very big source of these viruses. that is important, because, as you mentioned, you need to track wild so that you can be prepared to prepare the vaccines and antivirals that you need if the viruses get into human hosts. so, really important network that has been doing incredible and that hasee even before the current outbreak. with regard to the current outbreak the good news is that many of the viruses that t hav

provokes a jew use and most of these e-mails your official signature it said david m born od, and niaidal. while let me say something else i did not mention this because you forwarded from your nih e-mail to your personal e-mail and he said it right in your e-mail. >> bout a year ago the fusion of my gmail and my e-mail nih e-mail on my phone had another side effect and by the way i finally got it to take that off it. to get rid of that there's no more gmail, e-mail confusion. after i asked him to take it off i realized if gmail or nih il came to me and i replied to it. for some reason there is a default the signature had on gmail which should something did not go out. the nih e-mail went out i don't know how to have it i didn't do it consciously. >> sir, i just don't believe you kneel back. >> my experience i just want to say i do not know what defect or your talk about when you get an e-mail from one e-mail you have to intentionally move into another e-mail does not automatically shift over too another e-mail. >> i'm sorry i don't provokes i recognize from marilyn for five minutes of

of an unusual perspective that i have for being at the nih for 54 years, and being director of the niaidi had the privilege of dealing with seven presidents, bookended by the early years with hiv and then the last years of my career there with covid, and it's been an extraordinary journey, as i say in the title in public service. so i would it would be a good way to get a personal historical perspective. but also i hope that it encourages young people who have any interest in medicine, science, public health or public service how gratifying a career in public service can be. two reasons. >> so we could ask, again, a lot about your time with donald trump. it certainly was extraordinarily momentous because of the pandemic. i am curious looking back through the years, your public service. what are you most proud of? what do you write about in here? as you're going back through the years, do you think, wow, we really got that right. >> well, there are several things. the early part of my career when i developed some remission inducing therapies for diseases, this is way before hiv, that were