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joining me now is the great economic historian niall ferguson, his new book just out is called "doom phe." welcome, niall. >> good to be with you, fareed. >> so how would you characterize from a global perspective, the economic recovery or nonrecovery now underway around the world? >> well, historically pandemics have had very different economic impacts from what we've seen in our time. if you go back to comparably sized global pandemic, the 1957-58 asian flu as it was then called, you could barely see its economic impact in the u.s. data and that is because life went on. there was excess mortality. but there were no lockdowns, schools and workplaces stayed open. what we did was pretty much unprecedented in the sense that we were able to confine really large numbers of people in their homes for long periods of time and shut down big parts of the economy. and i think one reason that that is unprecedented is that previous generations didn't have the incident. not many in 1957 could have worked from home. so having shut down significant parts of economy, back around a year ago, we then d

for senior fellow at the hoover institution author of the new book, politics of catastrophe, niall ferguson is here, welcome to the show niall. >> things can degrade to be with you. kennedy: let's discuss first and foremost you were one of the first people to really write about covid in terms of a catastrophe and a pandemic. a lot of people did know it to believe it was true. they thought it was essentially alarm is in. so if there is another pandemic coming, i think there could be another disaster but not necessarily in the form of a pandemic, how do we separate a alarmism from reality and true warning signs? >> let's look back. i am a historian my job is to spot these patterns. we have a pattern of mismanaging disaster that goes back a long way. i don't think we can claim we manage 911 very brilliantly for think about what we subsequently did. i will not even get into katrina. it's given to the financial crisis we thought we had a regulated financial system a blip on our faces but on paper the united states was prepared for a pandemic 2019 was ranked top of the charts from the pandemic al

professor niall ferguson says life should start getting back to normal thanks to the vaccination programmehe says questions remain over holidays particularly travelling abroad this year but was optimistic about life returning with far fewer restrictions. masks and social distancing, strict limits on gatherings and socialising, they've been unprecedented restrictions on everyday lives for much of the pandemic, but there's an increasing sense that things could be much closer to the old normal by the summer. one of the key scientists involved in lockdown policy told me he's much more confident. it will feel a lot more normal in terms of being able to visit friends, family, go out to restaurants. we have yet to see what will happen in terms of holidays, particularly overseas holidays, but we will have many fewer restrictions. pubs and restaurants will allow customers back indoors soon. this was manchester today. then there's the planned end of all legal restrictions in england from june 21. professor ferguson believes another lockdown is unlikely and that the data suggests things are track. wi

lockdown says life in the uk will start to feel normal again by this summer, though professor niall ferguson says questions still remain over overseas travel. that is all. goodbye from me and we joined the bbc news teams where you are. hello and welcome to sportsday. coming up on the programme this evening... afterfive coming up on the programme this evening... after five seasons trying, can pep guardiola guide manchester city to champions league final? it's all eyes on the etihad tonight. out of fashion at tottenham — butjust two weeks later, jose mourinho bags a newjob with roma. on the bubble has been breached and the indian premier league covid cases ring an abrupt end to the action. hello and welcome to sportsday. there's a massive night ahead for manchester city with history on the line — a place in a first champions league final could be won as pep guardiola and his side host paris st germain and go into the second leg with a 2—1 lead. guardiola has won europe's top prize twice with barcelona, but has yet to bring that success to city in his five seasons trying. let's cross live to th

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these are among the questions taken on by historian and senior fellow at the hoover institution, niall fergusontics of catastrophe ". great to have you on. just looking, starting with the coronavirus pandemic, which got a lot worse than it needed to. don't you think at this point, it was disinformation even from the very top at the united states of america? >> mika, that was certainly part of the problem. but i think if we tell ourselves that if only someone else would have been president, someone other than donald trump who would have been done much, much better, we might have been kidding ourselves. as i talk about in the book, president trump made any number of mistakes. but that's not really why we ended up with half a million plus of excess mortality. plus, we know how this was done well, because in taiwan and in south korea, they ramped up testing, they did integrated contact tracing and isolated the infected or the suspected infected. we did none of those things. in practice, it's not really the president who organizes pandemic response. the president is not king emperor. there's a publi

so i want to ask him about comments made this morning by niall ferguson on the today programme, he saidrms of search, testing, the vaccine roll out, improvements to test and trace, that we really are able to open up as everyone wants on june the 21st? it is able to open up as everyone wants on june the 21st?— june the 21st? it is true that the indian variant i june the 21st? it is true that the indian variant is i june the 21st? it is true that the indian variant is spreading i june the 21st? it is true that the | indian variant is spreading across the country. estimates vary as to what proportion of the new cases each day are the variant first identified in india which is more transmissible. my assessment is that it is too early to say yet whether we can take the full step forward on the 21st ofjune. like him, i desperately want us to, but we�*ll only do that if it is safe. we will make a formal assessment ahead of the 14th ofjune as to what step we can take on the 21st, and in that, we will bejoe driven by the data, guided by the science and we will be fully transparent with this hous