joining me to discuss his complex legacy is the renowned historian niall ferguson. 's a senior fellow at stanford, university. he spent two decades researching the stateman's life and his b biography spanned a thousand pages an that is just volume one. welcome, niall. let me ask you, you've seen social media and some of the articles, and there is an enormous amount of animosity and hostility surrounding kissinger. and often very personal, personally calling him a war criminal. i wanted to ask you, what is your reaction to kind of charge? >> well, my reaction to much of it is revulsion, frankly. bonham is a good rule but it hasn't held back the haters. henry kissinger never expected to win a pop you'llir ate -- popularity rate. it was bound to be unpopular. so i don't think it would be surprising him. it is frustrating because it misses some very fundamental and important points about the nature of foreign policy, for example that the most choices are between evils and you just have to try to choose the lesser evil. >> so give me, let's talk specifics. take the bombin

niall ferguson, joining us from london.anks, steve. >> steve: have you heard about this, ford motor company hitting the brakes on electric vehicle production of their pickup because people aren't buying as many as they thought. whether a it all means for joe biden's ambitious agenda coming up. plus more polls spell more trouble for joe biden in key swing states that he won last time. lawrence and ainsley over at the big wall with the big numbers, coming up. ♪ my active psoriatic arthritis can make me feel like i'm losing my rhythm. with skyrizi to treat my skin and joints, i'm getting into my groove. ♪(uplifting music)♪ along with significantly clearer skin... skyrizi helps me move with less joint pain, stiffness, swelling, and fatigue. and is just 4 doses a year, after 2 starter doses. skyrizi attaches to and reduces a source of excess inflammation that can lead to skin and joint symptoms. with skyrizi 90% clearer skin and less joint pain are possible. serious allergic reactions and an increased risk of infections or a low