. >> i heard nicholas chris to have say that, i thought that was a problem.e finds it easier to get an audience when you put a republican and a democrat in a room. i heard him say this. and they scream at each other. then when he tries to tell people about terrible murders and rapes that are going on in africa, he says they turn it off and he sees that as a big problem, and it well may be. it may well be. but i've always found opposite things. i've always found there's a tremendous tendency in america, maybe sometimes people get a little overexcited, but then they draw back. they draw back and start looking at facts and start looking at arguments. you know who said that? toekville said that in 1832. he said the first thing you hear when you come close to the shore, he said, is the clamor. that's what struck him. and he meant by the clamor, he meant people shouting at each other. he said, but what's so amazing is underneath this clamor they start bubbling up with solutions. and when they bubble up with solutions it's because the -- this group is shouting at th