well, that's what nicholas kristof should be commenting on. should be calling for nonviolence where he is, where we are, where you and i are. that would make a big difference in the world. and, of course, nonviolence in our client states, like israel, where we provide directly the means for the violence, or saudi arabia, extreme, brutal, fundamentalist state, where we send them tens of billions of dollars of military aid, and on and on, in ways that are not discussed. that would make sense. it's easy to preach nonviolence to some victim somewhere, saying, "you shouldn't be violent. we'll be as violent as we like, but you not be violent." that aside, the recommendation is correct, and in fact it's been a recommendation of people dedicated to palestinian rights for many years. eqbal ahmad, who i mentioned, 40 years -- you know, his background, he was active in the algerian resistance, a long, long history of both very acute political analysis and direct engagement in third world struggles, he was very close to the plo -- consistently urged this,

joined now by nicholas kristof, a columnist for "the new york times."ust heard from the family. let's talk about the shootings of police officers. we just heard from the family of the young man shot and killed in st. louis, missouri. we're talking about kajieme powell. the city is still reeling from the michael brown case. sparked a national conversation. you just wrote a column about it. it is titled "is everyone a little bit racist?" what are you talking about? >> we don't know exactly what happened in the kajieme or the michael brown case. i don't want to presume to judge in that case. but what we do know is there is a broad national problem with race, and especially affecting young black men. and we see this -- in the last 20 years, there has been an extraordinary amount of research using brain research and psychology research. and it underscores this. and for example, i took a video game that is prepared by a university of colorado professor where you are in the role of a police officer. you are confronted by a bunch of men, white men and black men

>> guest: i think it was coined by people like nicholas kristof but it's a widely used term now. for people like me who basically direct non-profits and different things in the nonprofit sector. >> host: how did you get involved with appalachian girls in middle school in western north carolina? >> guest: that is a long story that i write about in "the road out." i grew up as an appalachian girl in a working-class girl in a tiny mill town in the mountains of north carolina. it was the first in my family to go to college which was a very big step for me. i ended up through a scholarship from a group called aauw going to college and doing super well in college. i ended up finally after a lot of stumbles on a lot of false going on and getting a graduate degree from harvard and education. from that long journey that i experienced myself came back to my native north carolina and found that this nonprofit called page and begin working with appalachian girls out here. >> host: when you say you work with appalachian girls, what do you do? >> guest: i teach. the people who work with me on

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