is nicholas kristof right?e on the left undercutting their own messaging by going what they believe to be too far? >> yes. yes. >> now, for scott. >> obviously so. i think scott and i will be in violent agreement tonight. i understand that there are people who are concerned about the status quo and they are worried that some of the ways we talk might be the old language might be codifying the old attitudes. they want new language to signify new attitudes. but it's gone so far that it's a joke. it's a parody of itself too often. even people like myself who are passionately committed to causes, you're afraid to even talk on a zoom call because you might say the wrong word and say 15 minutes being lectured how something that nobody had heard of six months ago is now required speech in polite company. and it's a distraction from getting anything done. >> how does that in your mind translate how an electorate might proceed. how barriers and guardrails are in place, in the private sector and in your individual lives.