you're talking about the brother, john and nicholas negroponte, brothers, and one of them head of dnit investigating this, apparently, the fbi's not investigating it, it's the education department. how big a bunch of fools are we going to play to be? this is outrageous. >> i think it's very outrageous, and i believe that china has enormous influence in academia, in sensitive -- who are sensitive researchers. the trump administration was getting after all of this, and i don't think the biden administration understands this threat. and what i was going to say what troubles me is that biden a appointees cannot bring themselves to call china an adversary. this is dni haines, the new secretary of defense austin. they said china is a competitor, lou, not an adversary. lou: right. >> no, france is a competitor. china is an adversary or an enemy. and in the biden administration can't call it an adversary, we're in for trouble. lou: well, i think we're in for trouble, and i know that you think so as well because words matter. and the words that are being used here are absolutely, it's scurrilo