show me now from new jersey is wilma new york time science editor, nicholas wade. nicholas, thanks so much for coming on before we get to the actual article. do you think it's been unfair? how arguably disinterested the piece you written which was republish in the bullets in the atomic scientists how it's been treated as cold war propaganda. what i haven't seen that, i'm sorry that's been but the piece just tried to stick as closely as possible to sound the facts. remo politics, some of these i'm just looking at whether sound re, fax, lead and i will be sorry if anyone treated as propaganda, which is not what we always say. everything is as political on, on this program. and certainly it's a hit certain political nerves. and you address at the end of the piece, something that has been said in recent days, that part of the reason people want to say corona virus didn't come from a lab is because trump once into the are yes, i think that was very important in per rising the debate servicers trumpet said that when she said about the qualification, then everyone tells the politics instead

he is a fellow by the name of nicholas wade.piece he wrote, the origin of covid, the people or nature open pandora's box in wuhan. this is the piece that should be credible with the talk that we heard. it was in the bulletin of the atomic scientists. i dunno about you. but i'm a regular subscriber and i like to look at the pictures. but fiercely, this man who i had on my sunday showed two sundays ago, he is a former senior editor at the new york times on science. and he spent a year return. he is about 88 years old. and he is the mind that wondered what happened to the moratorium this gain of access to research paper. he is the one that questioned the lack of curiosity in the media and that grabbed the media's attention. he is the one who pointed out that the grant, part of that was used to fund the wuhan lab, which investigates get what? science on coronavirus, it makes them more lethal, more deadly. he is the one that looked at the lancet publication. all of these virologists sunny all these letters. he said there's not one pi

to me now from new jersey is woman york time science editor, nicholas wade. nicholas, thanks so much for coming on before we get to the actual article. do you think it's being unfair? how arguably disinterested a pc written which was republish in the bulletin of atomic scientists how it's been treated as cold war propaganda. what i haven't seen that i'm sorry that's been but the piece just tried to stick as closely as possible to sound the facts. remo policy, some of these i'm just looking at whether sounds re, fax, lead.

for the spectator. nicholas wade, who wrote a book that was widely condemned for it's racism about genetics. but incidentally, makes startling claims about asian culture and science. so without going to home. and in such we can say that the credentials or some of the people who are being leaned on here, i'm not i, it's been that way since this born in a lab, there was not help by some of it's proponent, have you seen anything at this point that gives you a high degree of confidence that the will have instituted. virology was the origin of this. when reporters heard donald trump talking about it, they filed that away, along with things like trump prescribing americans drink, which as a covey to. and then i see the disinfectant with not in a minute or his secretary mike palm paid, laying the blame. remember trying to have a history of infecting the world. there was a kind of guilt by association that some have since inverted. yes, i think a lot of people are back on their face to some things may be true or even donald trump. nevertheless, the ex president did some long term damage to the lab

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laura: that was a lie, the former new york times written nicholas wade recently exposed that faulty analysis. this was another case of poor science. the virus manipulated weather was a seamless with a serial passage there is no way of knowing this is the case, doctor anderson and his colleagues were assuring their readers of something they could not know. of course the ingraham angle and a few others were constantly pushing the origin issue long ago. here is my february of 2020 exchange with fauci on the issue of china's transparency or lack thereof. we are sitting around saying could have been caused by a rabid bat and don't know because there was an level 4 lab in the vicinity, i am surprised you would say that given what we know about china's pattern of lying about critical issues. >> the chinese scientist we have dealt with, i have dealt with myself for years if not decades, many of them have trained here in the united states, i have faith that they are not distorting things. laura: you are satisfied with all the transparency coming out of china today about the trajectory of the disease

and there's also highly respected science reporter, nicholas wade i was reading things that he said andsaid from the very first appearance of covid-19 it was well adapted to human sales for it to be engineered 11 makes perfect sense. it is as a medically opinion are something different. in the last thing that i would say is that dr. anthony fauci and collins had tease her stories. they originally were saying that they don't think that this was lab lake and now they are saying that because there trying to make it seem clear they didn't support the bio weapons theory but that was never really what they were really saying. they're just saying they just didn't support the lab lake theory. so why are they changing the story now. >> exactly. common sense, the lab was studying bad coronavirus in the outbreak came from wuhan prayed use common sense and put it together. should dr. anthony fauci shut down is time for him to go. >> i will take everybody to church for minutes. if i can. this is a key example what you need to put your trust in god and not in the government. because at this point we

so nicholas wade, a science writer over 50 years, a former science editor for "the new york times," explored the mystery surrounding the virus and he joins us now. nicholas, thanks for joining used today. good to have you with us. as you look at what has come out the past few days and you've looked at this a long time, what do you make of where this conversation is right now? >> i think the most remarkable thing to come out of this was the statement from the team by dr. anderson that when they first looked at this virus, they thought it was manipulated. so they seized the public narrative and shaped it against lab escape. he said there's no way this virus could have been manipulated. but from this e-mail from dr. fauci in january, 2020, right after the news had broken, he's giving his first impression that the virus had been manipulated. >> martha: so when you look at the work going on in the lab, and i think most of us had no awareness of something that you studied a long time, which is that in these labs in the united states and in wuhan, they were manipulating the viruses. they were tryin

i would recommend seriously going online, get it and it's the atomic scientist by nicholas wade.hing your hearing on tv and radio is very based on the column and i want to make a couple other points quickly here. they should inform us when people run around and talk about man-made climate change, they don't have serious signs to back ity up. they close down anybody who raises questions and we are supposed to transform our entire free-market economy into some kind of marxist socialist dream. that we are going to destroy fossil fuels and sign on to some crummy deal that we just did in paris and so forth, we will follow the signs they say. ladies and gentlemen, news flash. the science has been politicized and not by conservative, but by the radical left. they want to destroy the economy based on their science. they want to destroy the private sector,, the fossil fuel industry, based on their signs. a couple other points very quickly here. >> sean: 30 seconds, mark. >> all rights. we are done, you go ahead. >> sean: i didn't mean to stop you. >> ten seconds left. 'm>> sean: by the wa