nick dawn neesom even keeping me company until 7:00. is alex dean, political colour consultant and former chief of staff to david cameron. no less. and bastani, co—founder of and aaron novara and we could tell novara media and we could tell you what we've been talking aboutin you what we've been talking about in the break, but then we would have to kill you, or at least kill each other. so we're not but uh, now the not going to. but uh, now the royal mint has unveiled new designs for 2024, with the annual set including a buckingham palace £5 coin. hm 150 anniversary of the birth of sir winston churchill, £2 coin and a 200th anniversary of the national gallery £2 coin. there's a lot of figures in this. a 200th anniversary of the rnli , a £0.50 coin and a team gb rnli, a £0.50 coin and a team gb and paralympics gb £0.50 coin. but with claims that churchill was a racist and a war criminal. is it right that is, he even commemorated at all these days? i'm going to come to you first on this one. alex. what do you reckon? hero or zero hero? >> and he's already on the fiver. so, you know, if you had a problem with it, i wouldn't start from here. um, so he was our prime mini