more about nick baker. >> well, i think the reason sometimes i want to write the book, first of all, yes to all that you saying about song lyrics and poetry in the american inventiveness and the comedic playfulness of internal rhyming which carries on now in hip-hop. there's tremendous ingenuity that is being displayed, kind of sleight of mouth that is happening. it's very characteristic of this real american originality of inventiveness, of rhine and metrical sophistication and all. it continues. it's not as if we're looking back at -- >> right, right. >> it's all happening. were in the middle of the. >> and wrap. there's no into these lyrics. a dance of words in good wrap. >> but as far as what i like to do is i of course want to write about happy people and i want to write books that are evidence for why life is worth living in good. but there are these kind of chasms that open up in history and their unpleasant and unfortunate. they are not just unfortunate. they are terrifying and one of them was world war ii, , then te cold war that immediately followed it. i just sometimes thi