i never wanted to meet that nick denton, or any of his people because they were scandal monitors to. yeah, i mean, his philosophy was that, you know, the, the, that the possibility of the internet was to publish the things the journalist said to each other in bar is not the things they said on the internet. which by the way, i think you do not give yourself enough scandal longer and credit is some of what you do. and you were saying stuff that other people were afraid to say about american foreign policy at a moment of washington consensus. but all the big publications were in one place and it was a place for outside hers. and those that are blogs which were basically be early social media. we're a place where outside or is kind of throw a spitball establishment. and i think in early gawker and this side called decibel to be like kind of the iconic thing, they can't tell the folks which is what it was. it was a feminist box still exists, but in its heyday in 2007 launch. the 1st thing they did was put out a $10000.00 bounty for an unread touched photograph of someone in one of these

jonah peretti, nick denton, a kenny layer, nick, you know, arianna huffington and others. but that one of the people who was very dissatisfied with sort of the goc or montrose of sexual pictures and you know, innuendo. and so, you know, basically, scandal monitoring was peter feel is a rich billionaire and basically to so we're talking about individuals have massive impact on the news. habits of american society, or global society, or an individual who gets picked up and has enough power to bring down one of these news organizations. are we living in this world kind of super gladiators? we're most this don't matter at all, were just victims or winners accidentally, but it's all about these individuals who figured out how to a mass, incredible power. and what does that say about american democracy and the economics of news today? i mean, i do, it does the, i, i totally agree with these and these immensely powerful figures. eli moss being the main ones, right. i've kind of gotten interested in news as a hobby and what would like to crush their enemies and elevate their frien

you focused on nick denton who created gawker, arianna huffington, and others around her the founded huff post. i'm just interested in that moment and you were there watching all of this come together in fact, you weeks or the i don't know to call you the forrest gump of it were hired by one of them. but you knew all, all of these characters, what did they get right? what did they get wrong? you know, they were among the 1st just to see this way of coming. and there was, you know, there was a huge, particularly if you on a friday really saw social media was going to be this don't already did both of the founder of us. it was going to become the central distribution platform. nick that and who founded docker saw the power of the internet to kind of strip away the artifice that it media. but i think also both to some degree of thought they could control these forces and monetize them. and i think that turned out to be a lot harder than i thought. so when you saw this, i mean your early blogger, i wasn't really blue, or i don't really watch it as a note, i wrote it kind of us now i the,

jonah per ready, nick denton, a technical error. nick, you know, arianna huffington and others, but that one of the people who was very dissatisfied with sort of the dock or montrose of sexual pictures and you know, in your window. and so, you know, basically, scandal monitoring was. peter's deal is a rich 1000000000 error, basically to so we're talking about individuals have massive impact on the news, habits of american society or global society, or an individual who gets kicked off and has enough power to bring down one of these news organizations. are we living in this world kind of super gladiators? we're most this don't matter at all, were just victims or winners accidentally. but it's all about these individuals who figured out how to a mass, incredible power. and what does that say about american democracy and the economics of news today? i mean, i do, it does the, i, i totally agree with these in these immensely powerful figures. the alignment being the main ones, right. i've kind of gotten interested in news as a hobby and